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Old 08-16-2004, 04:12 AM   #11
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In the past I would have said that copper is the only effective treatment against amyloodinium. I agree completely that Cupramine is the only copper that I would use with a puffer. I am sorry that I didn't respond to this thread sooner. A fine gold or biege powder on the fish sure sounds like amyloodinium to me. The others are right, this infection must be treated immediately. By the time you can easliy see a fine beige powder on the fish it is usually too late.

Copper makes things worse at first because it causes the fish to produce more mucus when they are already having a hard time breathing. This is one reason that I prefer to use chloroquine phosphate (available as Marex by Aquatronics). You may have to get it from a vet. Chloroquine works quickly and even kills parasites attached to the fish. It gives some relief in hours. You can use it by dosing only on the first day at 40mg/gal in a QTank.

I am not a big fan of FW dips, but it does help remove some amyloodinium. You can give the fish a FW dip and then use Cupramine or chloroquine. I believe the two can even be combined. Copper suppresses immune function and a badly infected fish is probably going to have a bacterial infection of the gills to complicate things.

I have discussed a experimental treatment for amyloodinium with Dr. Noga at NCSU, professor of aquatic medicine and Dr. Angelo Colorni a highly respected authority on Cryptocaryon irritans. My hypothesis is that the transfer method should work with amyloodinium. Doctors Noga and Colorni both told me that it should work in theory and it has been proven effective with Crypt (ich). I suggested the idea of using chloroquine on the first day and combining it with the transfer method. You can read about the treatment in part 5 of my series on Cryptocaryon irritans. You can find it in the library at http://www.MarineAquariumAdvice.com

I am sorry if this information is too late to help contactpsb. Maybe it will be useful at a later date. I hope things worked out for contactpsb.

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Old 08-19-2004, 01:37 PM   #12
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Any of you heard of a product called Revive? It worked VERY well for me.

After 8 fish deaths in 2 weeks time (didn't know what Velvet was at the time). I dosed my main tank, w/coral, shrimp, snails and all. Dosed it twice w/in 4 days. The second time, I turned the skimmer off for 2 days. The remaining 3 fish survived (yellow tang, wacthman goby and b/g chromis) and have been doing fine for 5 months now - along with the new fish added since.


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Old 08-20-2004, 02:26 AM   #13
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I can't really give any advice on the medicine, but I can let you know my dogface puffer tucks his fin in once and awhile. I don't know why, but it never seems to be a problem.
He also had a few bouts of white spots. I raised the temp. in my tank, plus tried the hypo-salinity and the spots cleared up. Good luck.
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how about trying a FW dip Steve???

it works great on the fish, but doesnt help the tank, get a QT and put all the fish in there and wait about a month before you put them back into the main tank.

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Old 08-21-2004, 02:21 PM   #15
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how about trying a FW dip Steve???
I am not a fan of dips at the best of time but with Amyloodinium it will remove some of the trophonts but do nothing in terms of ridding the fish of the parasites. If the fish where heavily infested it could be a benefit but if treated in time, the Cupramine will definately do the job. Becareful when choosing the dip option as in some cases, it can put an otherwise already stressed animal over the edge. I am unfamiliar with Terry B's recommendation (chloroquine phosphate)so Ill leave any comments about that to him.

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