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Old 07-29-2004, 12:31 PM   #11
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If HLLE, antibiotics won't have any effect unless secondary infection sets in. Sounds like you are going about it the right way so far. The last thing you want to do is move the tang back before the proper fallow period for the display tank has passed and there has been at least a full week (preferabley 2) since the treatment was done.

If you place the tang back before being sure the parasite problem is done with it will make matters much worse. Since you just ended the treatment, I'd say it would be a huge risk. The fallow periods about right but you need to be sure there are no re-occurances in the QT'd fish. Just keep doing the water changes to keep up water quality and feed daily with the vitamins

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Old 07-29-2004, 01:06 PM   #12
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I have no parasite in the main tank....The tang has been in the QT since June and has been treated for ick since July 2...I ran Cupramine from 7/2 to 7/27. I know this is a little longer than normal but I was away on vacation for a week. Right before I left I made sure the level of copper was .50 and then when I got back I ran carbon for one night to pull the copper out. Are you saying that I should wait 2 weeks for the tang to heal? Im lost now. Again there is no parasite in the main tank. The tang has never been in there...sorry for the confusion.
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Old 07-29-2004, 04:26 PM   #13
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ran Cupramine from 7/2 to 7/27. I know this is a little longer than normal but I was away on vacation for a week. Right before I left I made sure the level of copper was .50 and then when I got back I ran carbon for one night to pull the copper out.
Actually 3 weeks is fine when using Cupramine and in fact, some recommend a bit longer than the 2 weeks suggested by the manufacturer.

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Are you saying that I should wait 2 weeks for the tang to heal? Im lost now. Again there is no parasite in the main tank. The tang has never been in there...sorry for the confusion.
No I am not refering to the main tank nor the possible HLLE. What I am saying is you should wait at least 7 days after removing the med from the QT to be sure the parasite has been elimintaed. If something went awry (which I doubt) you need to recapture the tang for treatment. Best to leave it in the QT until your sure, 10-14 days is what is typically recommended though.

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Old 07-29-2004, 05:33 PM   #14
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Im not really worried about the ick part...I think this is LONG gone...what I am concerned about is the HLLE part. Lets say that I leave the tang in QT for another 14 days and the tangs face still looks bad....is there a danger to the rest of the main tank inhabitants because the tang has HLLE?
Also how do you remove the copper from the tank? Water changes or carbon? I had read that carbon may not be a good thing to do as it makes HLLE worse?? Any suggestions on this?
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Lets say that I leave the tang in QT for another 14 days and the tangs face still looks bad....is there a danger to the rest of the main tank inhabitants because the tang has HLLE?
HLLE is not contageous.

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Also how do you remove the copper from the tank? Water changes or carbon?
Both will work but carbon would be faster.

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I had read that carbon may not be a good thing to do as it makes HLLE worse?? Any suggestions on this?
I highly doubt it and nothing has ever been linked to nor proper studies done of the effect of carbon. If it worries you, use a polyfilter.

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Old 07-29-2004, 11:15 PM   #16
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Thanks Steve for taking the time to help me with this. I know I ask a lot of questions but I had rather learn from other peoples experiences (you) rather than read theories from a book or on line as those may or may not work. Everything you have told me to do to this point has worked so I had rather ask someone like you on questions I have. Its weird as I can call 3 different major LFS (not Petco types either) and get 3 different answers...very frustrating for sure. Coming on here seems to work a lot better!! Thanks for the help.
Im going to keep the tang in QT for another week or two and see what happens...cant hurt. Just very anxious to get him in the main tank but it can wait!! Patience = good results!!
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you said that your tang was scarching against the surface, I would not remove him out of the QT until he stops rubbing against the surface or rocks for at least a week. Also, if you keep up with your water changes, you will not have to worry about the HLLE progressing. Just make sure that you stuff the fish with greens and vitamins.
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Very well said.

As far as the "flashing" behavour, it is definately a sign of a parasite but keep in mind that HLLE is a skin irritant and just like a parasite can cause the same behavour. With a 3 week treatment in Cupramine I doubt you will have anymore issues but I'm glad you have decided to keep the tang QT's for a bit longer.

Be sure you follow Fishboy-from-NY's advice on the feedings and water changes. It's very important.

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Yeah the tang had not been scratching at all until the HLLE started. I would say that after almost 3.5-4 weeks of cupramine treatment, I dont see how he could have any parasite (speaking of ick). The rubbing he is doing is on his face area. He will rub his face only on the PVC pipes in the tank. This is where the HLLE is. I really feel good about the ick being gone but I want him to recover as much as possible from the HLLE before going into the main tank. My main tank has NO issues and want to keep it that way. And yes I add Vitamin C every day and also have been feeding food soaked in Zoe. I also soak his seaweed with Zoe and sometimes garlic...seems to like this. Also on the meat side I feed him Mysis frozen cubes soaked as well. Is there anything else I need to be feeding him? Any other vitamins?
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The vitamins I would suggest are either Selcon or Zoecon which are high in [acronym="Highly Unsaturated Fatty Acid"]HUFA[/acronym]. The Zoe unto itself is fine but lacks the fatty acids needed to help the fish. Mysys is fine too but don't feed it more than once a week. Keep the diet high in sprulina based foods which are natuarally high in vitamins.

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