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Old 01-03-2005, 03:06 PM   #1
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Scales turning white on a domino damsel

Hello everyone! I have a problem with my brand new fish. It is a black damsel (domino damsel I think they're called). He is a dark black but his scales are starting to whiten on his side.

What is causing this? My temp, salinity, pH are all fine. It's a new tank so its probably not got adequate biological filtration yet I understand? So is this stress caused by ammonia thats doing this to my fish? Should I quarantine him? Thanks in advance and sorry this post was so long.

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Old 01-03-2005, 03:13 PM   #2
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Fish certainly can change color when they are sick or stressed. It can also be completely normal as fish mature or even at different times of the day. Can you give more info about your tank--size, how old, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates? How long has the fish been in the tank? Did you QT him?
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:17 PM   #3
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Well the tank was set up yesterday and the fish was added yesterday as well.

My tank is a tiny six gallon Eclipse with the bio-wheel removed and the beginning of a collection of live rock. There may be too many fish in it. I havent tested anything yet.

I just want to make sure this isn't some sort of disease that my other fish will get?

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Old 01-03-2005, 03:21 PM   #4
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How many fish do you have in this new set-up?
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:43 PM   #5
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5 in a 6 gallon tank
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55G Reef Tank
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80 lbs. LR
40 lbs. LS
1 Pink Tree Coral
1 Copperband Butterfly
1 Yellow Tang
1 Mandarin Goby
3 Peppermint Shrimp
20 Red-Legged Hermit Crabs
30 assorted Snails

6G Nano-Reef Tank (Eclipse Six)
--------------------------------------------
10 lbs. LR
15 lbs. LS
1 Sebae Anemone
Several Purple Mushrooms
1 Bright Green Brain Coral
1 Sebae Clownfish
1 Yellow-tailed Damsel
1 Domino Damsel
6 Red-Legged Hermit Crabs
8 assorted Snails
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:53 PM   #6
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Most likely ammonia poisoning. There are better ways to cycle a tank without the use of fish. IMO and the opinion of many here it is a cruel practice that really is obsolete although still promoted by some LFS's. Perhaps returning him until the tank is cycled would be the best option.
Here is another cycle option for you.
http://aquariumadvice.com/showquesti...q=2&fldAuto=15
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Old 01-03-2005, 03:58 PM   #7
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Well I have a huge chunk of high-quality live rock in there. It was the only method of filtration in the tank at the LFS so the fish should do OK I think.

Thanks for the link though I'll probalby do that next time.

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55G Reef Tank
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80 lbs. LR
40 lbs. LS
1 Pink Tree Coral
1 Copperband Butterfly
1 Yellow Tang
1 Mandarin Goby
3 Peppermint Shrimp
20 Red-Legged Hermit Crabs
30 assorted Snails

6G Nano-Reef Tank (Eclipse Six)
--------------------------------------------
10 lbs. LR
15 lbs. LS
1 Sebae Anemone
Several Purple Mushrooms
1 Bright Green Brain Coral
1 Sebae Clownfish
1 Yellow-tailed Damsel
1 Domino Damsel
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5 fish in a 6 gallon tank? I didn't see that at first.
That tank is WAY overstocked and all the fish are in jeopardy. One very small fish is the max for a tank that size.
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Old 01-03-2005, 04:28 PM   #9
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sdaccord03,

First of all IMO, you have way to many fish for a six gallon set-up even for a cycle. At most once your tank is cycled and stabilized it will hold 1-2 small SW fish. The Damsels you have now can get 6"+ under ideal conditions. I have seen them even bigger in a large display.

I would strongly suggest you return them if possible as they most likely will not last long in this setup not to mention these are very territorial fish.

Not sure if you are new to the hobby and I do not want to discourage you, but if possible I would look at a larger tank if possible. Even once cycled a 6 gallon tank will be tough to maintain good water quality without a lot of work. Most would refer to this size tank as a Nano. The filtration provided with the eclipse is OK for FW, but way less than Ideal for SW.

I would suggest 30 gallon or larger for SW. Don't mean to be harsh, but I have seen and read about a lot of people becoming frustrated and giving up because they get started off on the wrong foot. Do some reading and research and you will be a lot happier in the long run.

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Old 01-03-2005, 05:58 PM   #10
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Naw I've spent years in the hobby. I just want to get this cycling over quickly. I now have 4 fish in a 6 gallon tank. They have all found their territories. I know its not exactly nice to cycle with fish, and its worse to use more just to get it done with quicker, but dont get me started about humane, because even in a very large tank is not exactly humane but we do it anyways. I intend to check my water daily and keep this thing alive with live rock.

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55G Reef Tank
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80 lbs. LR
40 lbs. LS
1 Pink Tree Coral
1 Copperband Butterfly
1 Yellow Tang
1 Mandarin Goby
3 Peppermint Shrimp
20 Red-Legged Hermit Crabs
30 assorted Snails

6G Nano-Reef Tank (Eclipse Six)
--------------------------------------------
10 lbs. LR
15 lbs. LS
1 Sebae Anemone
Several Purple Mushrooms
1 Bright Green Brain Coral
1 Sebae Clownfish
1 Yellow-tailed Damsel
1 Domino Damsel
6 Red-Legged Hermit Crabs
8 assorted Snails
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