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Old 03-17-2005, 02:32 PM   #1
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Sick fish?

I recently set up a 10 gallon FOWLR tank. It has 1-2 lbs of fiji rock and it had two yellow tail damsels. Both died. SG is 1.022, NO ammonia, NO nitrate/nitrite, ph is 8.2. Temp is 79-80.

Fish seemed fine for a few days then died. A day apart. It appears my water is fine. What else could have caused this?
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Old 03-17-2005, 02:41 PM   #2
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How long did you let your tank cycle? What type of filtration do you have? Were they eating?

I would also retest my water.
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Old 03-17-2005, 02:59 PM   #3
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I am using a mini bio-wheel without the bio-wheel. The tank isn't cycled yet. It has only been up for about a week. I was just feeding them tetra saltwater fish flakes. But I only fed them twice in the week I had them.

I used my test kits and my LFS's and all came up negative.
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38 gal SW, CC, 40lbs base rock, 5lbs live, emporer 280, bio-wheel 330,tronic heater, 2 O. clowns, 1 firefish.

29 gal FW, boring...soon to be salt I think.

10 gal SW, 20lbs LS, 20lbs base rock, 1 unhappy domino damsel (he was in the 38...switched the percs and the damesel recently).
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:32 PM   #4
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If you cycle with fish it is a good idea to feed them very little so as not to add any extra load to the bio filter in process.

Did you add any water conditioner/prime to your water? You can frequently get false results on your tests with that type of additive in the water. If it wasn't the water parameters (I'm really surprised that you didn't see any ammo in that tank yet) then it may have had something to do with your acclimation process? Did you temp acclimate them as well as acclimate them to the water quality by moving water from your system into the bag? If not it could have been shock from the change in parameters. You should also check your Alk. There may be something in there to provide a clue. If your water isn't properly buffered you'll get larger swings in pH between night and day and that might end up being enough to push the fish over the edge.

Scant feedings if you're using fish is a good idea since that will help keep the bioload manageable. Now that your fishless you may consider throwing a small piece of shrimp into the tank to let it finish cycling before adding your next tank mate. It will provide all the fuel for the nitrification process without the fish.
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:42 PM   #5
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I am using stress coat as the decholrinator.

I let them float for about a half and hour to get the temp correct. Then I slowly let water in and waited and kept doing that for at least a 1/2 and hour. They did great for 3 days.

Me and a buddy did some fish swapping. I had two different damsels that did great for 3 days. Then I purchased the ones that died....not sure what happened there.
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38 gal SW, CC, 40lbs base rock, 5lbs live, emporer 280, bio-wheel 330,tronic heater, 2 O. clowns, 1 firefish.

29 gal FW, boring...soon to be salt I think.

10 gal SW, 20lbs LS, 20lbs base rock, 1 unhappy domino damsel (he was in the 38...switched the percs and the damesel recently).
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Old 03-17-2005, 03:46 PM   #6
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Oh my gosh ... you guys are starting the thread that I'm now in the middle of. Unexplained deaths after a couple of days. I've had LOTS of responses: virus, bacteria, etc.

This may sould like a dumb question, but are any of you spraying Windex on your tank to clean it?

That was the latest possibility I read over at RC.

I find it hard to believe, but SOMETHING killed them, and if I could figure it out, it would be GREAT news. $50 of dead fish is enough for me.
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SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 03-17-2005, 07:07 PM   #7
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I sprayed windex on a paper towel then wiped my tank down with it.

I don't know how many time I have done that though. Never had a problem. I think I found out what was wrong with my tank.

Come to find out my SG meter was off pretty bad. It was off by .0025-.003 off. I had it set at 1.021 so that could have made a huge difference.

Bought a new meter and a new master test kit. Also replaced the gravel with 20lbs of live sand. Hopefully I can add a couple fish soon.
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29 gal FW, boring...soon to be salt I think.

10 gal SW, 20lbs LS, 20lbs base rock, 1 unhappy domino damsel (he was in the 38...switched the percs and the damesel recently).
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Old 03-17-2005, 07:19 PM   #8
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FIsh can take low SG, though - in fact, hyposalinity 1.009 is used to treat ick for weeks.

ALthough, anything's possible.

FOr me, I still suspect the brine shrimp or some sort of bacteria or virus that came in on the LR. I'm going 6 weeks fishless. Inverts are fine, which is why I didn't really believe it could be a toxin.

Oh, well.. Good luck.
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30 gal standard 55 lbs LR, 60 lb live sand, 10 gal sump/refugium. Urchin skimmer, mag7 pump, 3 x 96W PC combination 10,000K/actinic bulb, 2 blue LED moonlights
SG 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 03-17-2005, 08:41 PM   #9
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I plan on getting a bunch of blue leg hermits. I may do that soon and see how they fair.
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29 gal FW, boring...soon to be salt I think.

10 gal SW, 20lbs LS, 20lbs base rock, 1 unhappy domino damsel (he was in the 38...switched the percs and the damesel recently).
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Old 03-17-2005, 10:54 PM   #10
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This may sould like a dumb question, but are any of you spraying Windex on your tank to clean it?
ROFLMAO!!!


Okay now on to the serious issue here.

It sounds like they died because you tank has not fully cycled yet. I would give it some time to cycle before adding anymore fish. You said in the second post that the tank has not fully cycled and that the tank has only been up a week. I really think you might want to wait to add more fish until you have cycled it at least three full weeks.
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