Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Saltwater and Reef > Saltwater & Reef - Sick Fish or Coral
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 11-18-2005, 09:17 PM   #21
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 1,538
Listen...this isn't a contest about who knows more of what etc. That's not what this is all about. I've never put down what Steve does know. I'm just pointing out that there is something he doesn't know and I've given detailed descriptions of this particular parasite I am discussing. He could look around too if he wishes instead of knocking down info I know is a fact. Just because he lacks this particular knowledge of this particular parasite and that I lacka name doesn't make me or him any less professional.

Once I do have a name, it will be posted. Now I have the correct name of the origin fish they come from I can now search more accurately.
__________________

__________________
http://www.tricitytropicals.com
------------------------------------
We, as a people, know so much more about outer space than we do about our own oceans. This lack of knowledge can very well spell the dangers that lay in wait for us.

The oceans surely would swallow us before a rock comes down to smite the planet of it's life.
Nov/2004
TCTFish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2005, 10:04 PM   #22
steve-s
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
That's just it and you keep missing the point, your not talking about any particular parasite. Your generalizing and you've made a conclusion based on two vague symptoms. What you call judgement is also called cautious questioning on a subject you clearly no nothing about and have absolutely no information about. Had you actually read what I was trying to convey to you rather than defending a defenseless position you would have realized that.

I am not the one that needs to do the research. I am not the one putting forth an unnamed unidentified nondescript vague parasite that you have been repeated asked to reference...Where's your research

Nuff said..
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2005, 10:17 PM   #23
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Piedmont, NC
Posts: 4,580
Quote:
this isn't a contest about who knows more of what etc
I agree. This site is about helping people. Giving someone bad information is not helping them. If you are right then more power to you but give me something to go on. You do not know the name of the parasite nor the fish it thrives on. I have done a search and found nothing. I will look some more. If it is as prevalent as you say, it should be in the first search results that are returned.
This is no different than me telling you to cut your head off and two will grow back. I do not know who told me or how they did it but it works. They do it all the time. "trust me"
__________________
*The fact that no one understands you doesn't make you an artist.
*If guns kill people...Spoons make Michael Moore fat.
Brenden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2005, 10:27 PM   #24
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 930
Send a message via AIM to DragonForce
Re: More background on our tank environment

Quote:
Originally Posted by bpeitzke
The other fish we have in this 36 gal FOWLR tank are:

- 5" speckled green puffer (voracious feeder but hasn't been seen bothering other fish)

- 3" Maroon clown

- 1.5" zebra damsel - hasn't shown any aggression to others

- 2.5" yellow tang

Look at your stock man. No wonder he died. He probably got the crap beat out of him by every one of those fish. All of those fish need a new home except for the damsel and clown.
__________________
37 gal all glass
50lb LR
3' fine sand bed 1x Orange Stripe Prawn shrimp goby, 1x sixline wrassemated pair of true percula clowns, 1x CBS shrimp, 2x peppermint shrimp, 1x pistol shrimp, 1x tiger tale cuke, ~20+ snails, ~10+ hermits, 1xserpent star.
green Bubble coral, hammer coral (8 heads!) ,various Zoos,green finger leather, green star polpys ,shrooms
175w 10k MH
28w actinic 03
2x maxi jett 1200
Prizm skimmer (modded)
Hagen powerfilter(for running carbon 24/7)
nano arctica chiller
DragonForce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2005, 11:09 PM   #25
Aquarium Advice Activist
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Pacific Palisades, CA, USA
Posts: 149
I know. I've been trying to convince my wife & adult daughter (who got us into SW) of this, but haven't been able to. We're attached to puffer, in spite of the fact that he's our biggest problem - food, waste products, attacks bottom fish like blennies etc.
__________________
bpeitzke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2005, 12:16 AM   #26
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 1,538
Suggesting a three to five minute FW bath is not bad information and letting people know what I've learned on the wholesale end of things is not bad info either. It's sound advice...and if anyone has paid any attention...I've been very specific on a particular parasite...not generalized. The only element I haven't remembered is a name. All this power play from you two is all over a name. End it already. You'll get your proof eventually.
__________________
http://www.tricitytropicals.com
------------------------------------
We, as a people, know so much more about outer space than we do about our own oceans. This lack of knowledge can very well spell the dangers that lay in wait for us.

The oceans surely would swallow us before a rock comes down to smite the planet of it's life.
Nov/2004
TCTFish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2005, 05:08 AM   #27
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 930
Send a message via AIM to DragonForce
FW baths are probably the weakest form of treatment. I would honestly rather leave the fish in the display rather than stress it out even more with a FW dip. Formalin baths in sw and other broad spectrum SW dips are far superior, I would not waste my time with FW baths.
__________________
37 gal all glass
50lb LR
3' fine sand bed 1x Orange Stripe Prawn shrimp goby, 1x sixline wrassemated pair of true percula clowns, 1x CBS shrimp, 2x peppermint shrimp, 1x pistol shrimp, 1x tiger tale cuke, ~20+ snails, ~10+ hermits, 1xserpent star.
green Bubble coral, hammer coral (8 heads!) ,various Zoos,green finger leather, green star polpys ,shrooms
175w 10k MH
28w actinic 03
2x maxi jett 1200
Prizm skimmer (modded)
Hagen powerfilter(for running carbon 24/7)
nano arctica chiller
DragonForce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2005, 05:09 AM   #28
Aquarium Advice FINatic
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Southern California
Posts: 930
Send a message via AIM to DragonForce
On a side note, you might be able to house a single puffer alone without any other tank mates(fish, inverts, etc)
__________________
37 gal all glass
50lb LR
3' fine sand bed 1x Orange Stripe Prawn shrimp goby, 1x sixline wrassemated pair of true percula clowns, 1x CBS shrimp, 2x peppermint shrimp, 1x pistol shrimp, 1x tiger tale cuke, ~20+ snails, ~10+ hermits, 1xserpent star.
green Bubble coral, hammer coral (8 heads!) ,various Zoos,green finger leather, green star polpys ,shrooms
175w 10k MH
28w actinic 03
2x maxi jett 1200
Prizm skimmer (modded)
Hagen powerfilter(for running carbon 24/7)
nano arctica chiller
DragonForce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2005, 06:15 AM   #29
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 1,538
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragonForce
FW baths are probably the weakest form of treatment. I would honestly rather leave the fish in the display rather than stress it out even more with a FW dip.
Not with this parasite you wouldn't. You'd be risking lossing everything.

Honestly, I wouldn't be so dogmatic with this if I wasn't so certain about the destruction of this parasite. It's one of the few that actually do kill their hosts. That could be because of captive situations, but as I read about the amberjack fish and the other parasites involved, it doesn't seem unlikely the problems with this parasite can be just as bad in the wild.

Formalin, BTW can stress a fish just as much as a FW bath to a marine fish. When you take an animal with irritated, broken skin and dump it into something as caustic as Formailn, don't you think it'd burn? So it's one stressing treatment over another. This particular parasite I'm talking about will not go away with just SW formalin dips. In a couple of weeks I should be able to get a photograph of this parasite. Our next shipment comes then and I'll be there just for all of you...well...not really just for.
I think it's sad that this info. isn't more widely known cause it can save a lot of havok people are facing with these parasites without even knowing. It needs to be known on more than just a wholesale level and eventually I'll have something for everyone here to read and research with refs.

Honestly...if anyone comes across photos of perfectly round transparent marine monogenae trematodes, I'd really appreciate to see them.
__________________
http://www.tricitytropicals.com
------------------------------------
We, as a people, know so much more about outer space than we do about our own oceans. This lack of knowledge can very well spell the dangers that lay in wait for us.

The oceans surely would swallow us before a rock comes down to smite the planet of it's life.
Nov/2004
TCTFish is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2005, 01:17 PM   #30
steve-s
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
SW formalin baths should never be used in the presence of skin damage/open wounds. As far as it being a stressful treatment, yes but it is a very good on in this regard and as I said before so would Praziquantel.

TCTfish, if you took an honest step back and reread this thread in earnest without a preconcieved judgement, you would realize how far off you may be.

The three symptoms you are keying off of are
1. cloudy eye
2. ragged fins
3. erratic swimming

The first two may or may not be parasitic and both are typically the first sign of poor water quality, possible overstocking and less than adequate nutrition. It can also be the initial signs of parasite activity but thus far no additional symptoms to draw a conclusion.

The third would be more commonly associated with something internal. Possible causes being swim bladder damage (netting/capture), bloating, internal parasites, internal bacterial, cyanide, stress and again water quality/stocking levels. Again, nothing to draw a conclusion from.

You have however made a conclusion based on little physical evidence that quite honestly could be anything or nothing with the exception of better husbandry. Recommending a procedure simpley because in your opinion "what's it gonna hurt" does not make it so. FW dips are quite commonly the cause of many fish deaths because they are performed inccorrectly, without proper care and are commonly the least effective. At best they are a means of diagnosis, not cure. FWIW, to prescribe any type of treatment without a clear indication of the cause is poor judgement and IMO quite reckless.

Had this particular problem had any type of evidence to support your theory, your suggestion of the FW dip may have yielded possitive results for some types of Monogenea but it's usually quite limited being that FW dips are quite weak in their result.

Since you seem to want to spend more time arguing with me on a topic you cleary have no supporting information about and less time on proving your arguement, let me offer some assistance. Instead of targeting the info search on seabass you incorrectly identified from the start, I would turn your search to an eel and look for the parasite Anguillicola crassus.

Cheers
Steve
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
angel, flame, flame angel, ick, sick

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sick Flame Angel echidnanebulosa Saltwater & Reef - Sick Fish or Coral 3 10-15-2005 12:28 AM
please help...my flame angel is sick (updated with pic) itzafugasi Saltwater & Reef - Sick Fish or Coral 17 11-23-2004 10:23 PM
Sick Flame Angel birman Saltwater & Reef - Sick Fish or Coral 3 02-11-2004 07:29 PM
Sick Flame Angel Cando Saltwater & Reef - Sick Fish or Coral 8 08-26-2003 12:26 PM
help; sick flame angel clownfish Saltwater & Reef - Sick Fish or Coral 7 02-20-2003 03:42 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.