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Old 11-06-2007, 11:15 AM   #11
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Boiling will do nothing other than kill off all bacteria and critters that are in them... It will not remove copper or meds that can leech back into your new tank....
Your best route would be to get new LR , LS(or dry sand I use and recommend the wet since it sinks easier and does not require rinsing )
Cycle out your tank and wait ... Then slowly add your live stock back in . Take the old tank wash well and set it up as a QT or hosp tank use PVC pipe pieces to give hiding spots to your fish....Sorry to hear about your starfish
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I agree, just about anything that was in the tank when you used the meds will leach the copper back into any new system. This includes phs, filters, filter media, sand, rock and about anything else. You MIGHT be able to find some sort of copper removing filter media like Bio Chem Zorb . I have never used copper or this product so I don't know how well it works.....
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I agree with the others. That copper got sucked into those rocks and I wouldn't use them in a tank with inverts and corals. Maybe good for a fo tank, but then again, you have a crab that survived the copper treatment, so who knows.
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Old 11-06-2007, 06:54 PM   #14
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I can see copper being absorbed into porus things, but not igneous rock. I don't have any LR and like I said above, I'm planning to trash my LS and replace it with new. Maybe I'll try cleaning and leaching out any copper that may have attached to the hard surfaces, but it shouldn't be much if any. If something can leach in, it ought to be able to leach back out... One can't have one's cake and eat it too..
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Old 11-06-2007, 07:14 PM   #15
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One can't have one's cake and eat it too..
This does not explain anything from this post. There are many things that can aquire or leach into something and not come back out unless circumstances dictate it too. Chemical make up and chems in areas of rock that are not easily or readily accessable are but a few examples. Your above statement is not very reliable in SW aquaria. Not trying to be ugly but you recieved some very good advice from some very good people.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:42 PM   #16
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Rock IS porous. Please take the advice youíve been given by some very knowledgeable people and donít re-use anything in the 30 gallon tank.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:48 PM   #17
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All rock is porous even igneous rock.... However I would not use that rock in a salt tank my reason for this is that it has "colors " to it that indicate that there certian metals and minerals in it to give it its "coloration" That could be another reason for the stars demise ... I would only use "LR" ....period ... With out trying to sound too harsh it sounds like you have a bit more reading to do before you continue with this hobby ... there is alot to be learned and even more to be gained by studing ,, it is understandable to want it and want it now . I dont know of any folks out there in salt that didnt feel that way at some point , but most of us got to a point where throwing good money after bad was just NOT in the cards .... I have been doing this for a mere 4 years or so and I still read learn and read some more then when I am sick of reading I read a bit more ... I still have my "newbie" books that I refer to frequently when in doubt ...My theroy is that when in doubt read it out ... there is bound to be some one that has come across the same question or problems ....I document every thing and I mean every thing why ? so that if a problem arisies I know the cause or atleast have a starting point , it also keeps my check book happy and a happier husband because I dont ask to buy.... or I dont keep making the same mistakes ... I also note milestones and small goals , I document every thing ! I think that you need to refocus on your goals long term and short term and what you expect from this tank....before you continue in this hobby
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Rock IS porous. Please take the advice youíve been given by some very knowledgeable people and donít re-use anything in the 30 gallon tank.
That is like saying glass IS porous. I guess one could call anything porous if viewed with enough magnification, but that's really taking the whole thing out of context. I admit that there is a wide variation in the porosity of different rock types in the broad classification of igneous rock. It was a poor use of the term. However, the point remains valid that some rocks have very low porosity approaching or even exceeding the smoothness of glass. Also if a foreign substance can leach into a material, then by reversing the process, it must be able to leach out. And, too, if it can't leach out, then it can't harm the organisms in the water.
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itafx,

Obviously you can do what you want, and it sounds like you will. But there are folks here that have either done the same thing you're contemplating, or know someone who has. And the outcome hasn't been good. And they're trying to relay that info to you. Copper doesn't go away. While I understand your logic, all processes are not reversible.
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all processes are not reversible.
And that makes sense too. I gravitate toward pithy discussions with logic, analysis and experimental results. I gravitate away from the idea of "trust me because I'm the guru." BTW I decided to trash most or all of what was in the poisoned tank (except live inhabitants of course). I set up a new 30 gal, and transferred the perculas to it. I used filter media from a cycled tank to get that started. I'm now setting up a 20 gal for the SW quarantine tank. When that is finished, I plan to empty the old SW 20 gal tank and convert it over to FW. I was very fortunate to obtain a used 29 gal, 20 gal, 10 gal, and a lot of equipment for $50 and now I have some flexibility that I didn't have before. Just because I question advice when it isn't well supported, that doesn't mean I'm not listening.
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