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Old 10-10-2009, 06:17 PM   #1
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toadstool leather sick help please

I have had this toadstool for a long time it was one of my first corals a while back i lost a torch my frogspawn is doing fine but my toadstool in the past month has gained yellow spots and is not opening all the way in the past month barley opening now today i noticed a decayed spot around the edge and it fell off i have it in a bag floating right now in my 55 again it has better quality i had moved it to 29 as i thought the angel might be bothering it but it has to go back to the 55 now the quality is poor in the 29 i have it flating and added anti bacterial fish remedy to the bag to try and salvage it was this a good or bad idea its a liquid aloe type from walmart mike said before i could use it on corals but would never add it to the tank itself.... will it help wat is this disease?
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Old 10-10-2009, 06:44 PM   #2
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dd89, can you get us a picture.
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Old 10-10-2009, 06:56 PM   #3
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i will try as soon as its back in the tank if i have time but i dont know i dont touch my light timer and its set to go off soon i will try to get a pic tomorow morning if not tonight but i can give details now its closed up tight drawed up tight its got yellow spots its had before now off and on now its worse and its not letting its tenticals out but barley half and inch now today some of it crumbled off not much just a crumb picee
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:15 PM   #4
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Now, leather corals form a slime coating every once in awhile. It's their way of cleaning themselfs off. Let's hope it's just that. How bad was the water in the 29g and what is the readings in the 55g?
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:25 PM   #5
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This slime coat makes the leather look like it's dying. This can go on for a few days and when it comes off the leather has a bright new look.
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:32 PM   #6
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i have seen it shed before i have had it over a year and this is the first time its done this zoas live fine in the 29 gal i dont have anything to test my quality at the moment its not shedding its been not open enough for a month at least i will try to post pics tonight around one or two am when i get home
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Old 10-10-2009, 07:33 PM   #7
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the 55 has always had good readings tho my frogspawn coral zoas mushrooms and a leather tree thing is all doing good
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Old 10-11-2009, 12:05 PM   #8
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ok i couldnt get a pic camera is broke again at the time i need it most but more news after it was back in 55 it opened up a little not much but better looking than before then this morning when lights came on he wouldnt open and i noticed the decayin black/ brown spots around the edges again so i inspected closer by rubbing those spots gently and they just broke off and crunbled and that area ozed a little i noticed it was only around the edges and not even half a inch in but i think it was getting worse and spreading so i took it out of tank in a bowl of tank water took it out on to the porch in the light and i trimied the edges of the coral all the way around it trying to get rid of the bad infected looking spots and leave good looking coral... was this the way to go o have i screwed up bad? some of the top of the coral still has that yellow looking texture on it but on the bottom of the coral its all around it i have seen this on it before and it went away or moved to a diff spot and the tenicals come out were it is still and you dont notice it then... i am trying to give the most descriptive info i can since i cant give a good enough pic....
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Old 10-11-2009, 03:11 PM   #9
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Here is a post by Anthony Calfo "For starters, the lack of polyp extension in most Alcyoniids is generally no big deal. Most feed very little organismally to need polpys extended (they derive nutrition instead from symbiosis and feeding by absorbtion). It is not uncommon for some speciemens to go several months without extending polpys although a year is unusual.

Stronger current if random turbulent or surge like may incite polpy cycles, but not always.

I would have to agree that your Ca/ALK dynamic is skewed but don't think is has much if any bearing on the case here. Still, watch closely and do not let the ALK go any lower or the Ca much higher. You are definately on the splayed ends. You could indeed just do some water changes and back of the supplements except for buffer until Ca and ALk get more balanced and then simply resume the 2-part mix. Remember that you may not need extra buffer or Ca when dosing the balanced two part mixes. However, they will not correct an imbabalance either... you must begin with balanced levels and let the mix carry on.

Joe W makes an especially good point about not moving any coral around much. It is very stressful to do so. They simply need to be put in place and left to adapt.

You could experiment slowly with Iodine to see if the leather responds to higher RedoX levels fascilitated by small daily doses of it.

Another source of irritation to leather is microbubbles... any concerns here with that?

Under PC lighting, I would hope that this coral is in the top 12" of the tank and receives moderate to strong water flow.

Hmmm... I regret that I haven't been able to add much to the thread. Please do let us know how it pans out.

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I think you did the correct thing by cutting off the nicrotic parts of the coral. You may also want to frag off a very healthy section of it and kind of make a "spare" leather incase you lose the main unit.
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