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Old 08-16-2018, 07:33 PM   #11
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Iíve read that ammonia burns can take up to three days to show. On chemical burns Iíve seen, itís been within one or two days. Was thinking burns but two weeks takes it out of that I think?
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I've had my group of Loaches for about a year. They were about two inches long and had a gray green coloration w/orange fins. I feed them twice a day with "small grain" Omega One
Sinking Cichlid Pellets. That really helped color them up. They've all grown to about four inches. They are the best scavengers I've ever kept. Once your Modestas are totally acclimated, they won't be shy and will be active day and night. I also have a Berdmorei Tiger Botia Loach.
Your Blood Parrots might get worse before things get better. I'm with you, the Loaches are a better fish. I wouldn't chance the meds. The parrots problem might be bacterial in nature. Be watchful for any patches of white discoloration on the body and be prepared to remove the fish asap. Not to say that will happen, just be observant. Are the Parrots still eating?
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Old 08-16-2018, 11:45 PM   #13
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I got some better pictures of them but unfortunate they donít look good. The one that is really bad has what I thought was a circular coloration on both his sides. Itís kind of like an inverted triangle. You can kind of make it out in the last photo.

They are actually very very active and eating voraciously they have been coming up to me to beg for food which is how I noticed how bad itís getting.

Could this also be from stress. I bought what a local pet store had listed as an Ottocinclus. After it got bigger and terrorized my five gallon tank I did some research and realized it was an Asian Algae Eater. I put it in my fifty five where it has currently sucked some holes in my Ornate Bichir( Iíve been online trying to rehome him since)I have seen him push the two Blood Parrots around so Iím wondering if they are super stressed out.

In theory Iím thinking itís probably a bacterial infection exacerbated by the stress.

Any ideas for a cheap hospital tank?
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:32 AM   #14
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I'd get a 10g QT tank. Usually can get them at the big box stores for $10. Definitely is looking like ammonia burns now.
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Don't panic. I'm in total agreement with King Fisher, a very bad case of ammonia burn. My initial thought after viewing the whitish mark on the most affected Parrot was an abrasion; damage to the slime coat. Not Columnaris.
Regarding the troublesome Asian Algae Eater, I'd say remove it asap. Everybody in this hobby at one time or another buys a fish that turns out to be a disaster. Sometimes you can rehome them, most times you cant. If the AAE is actually injuring its tankmates, it's time to go.
Good to hear that both Parrots are active and eating. I still believe that clean water is the best treatment. I'd just keep an eye on the suspicious white mark for any change.
Columnaris is a very fast moving bug. Usually when you notice the exterior discoloration, irreparable damage has already occurred internally. At that stage, fish don't usually eat and are very lethargic. I don't believe that applies to your Parrots.
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Okay that sounds good. I was prepared to move them into a hospital tank and start treating. I checked my water again and Ammonia, nitrite and nitrate were all at 0. Initially my ph was about 8.8. After the water change and turning off the bubbler it’s about 8. Do I need to get it down further?

When I bought them on August 3rd they both had some black on them that I really thought was just their coloring. A week later I did my normal water change. Then it was a day or two later I noticed that they looked really bad. Is it possible to tell whether this is something I accidentally did or if it was just from the pet store. I’m thinking that if it was something I did the other fish I have in there would be showing burns as well?
I think that they looked slightly better today. So hopefully things will improve further.

As for the algae eater. I put him on the online neighborhood free classifieds. I had to be honest and say he needs to be with other semi aggressive to aggressive fish and needs a large tank so I really doubt anyone will want him. The guy I usually buy my fish from takes in a lot of Pacus and red tail catfish from owners who didn’t know what they were getting in to. So I’m going to talk to him see if he wants him or can get him rehomed because right now I’m getting this awful mental picture of a new aquarium just for one fish.
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Your pH at 8 is fine. They will adapt. Although I will say, a fluctuation from 8.8 to 8.0 is quite a bit. Consistently balanced pH is what you want.

The fact your tank is showing all zero's it's definitely not cycled so frequent water changes is what you need to do. Not all fish will show ammonia burns at the same time. Some fish may go longer in bad water before showing signs of deterioration.

At this point you just want to keep them in pristine water whether that's in your main tank or a QT tank. If you aren't medicating then there's really no need to move them out of the main tank for ammonia burns. If you are trying to get them away from your Algea Eater I understand that.....maybe put your algea eater in the QT tank until he's rehomed.
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I totally agree with King Fisher' s advice.
It sounds like some environmental factor might be giving you a false elevated PH reading.
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Right now the parrots are doing so much better. The burns are gone. I’m thinking either I have a problem with my tap water or I got a bad bottle of API stress coat.

The last water change I did I added Prime water conditioner the API stress coat and stress zyme. After this they started doing better.

I opened the bottle of API about a month ago. I didn’t have the parrots then so maybe the other fish weren’t showing signs of burns yet. Since then my Betta has been getting very sick every time I do water changes. I’ve had him for about a year an a half and never had any problems with him. I noticed that he suddenly got lethargic and sank to the bottom of the tank and buried his face in the gravel the last couple of times I did a water change. After a few days he would pull out of it and be his normal self. The last water change I did I used spring water and he had no problem. I haven’t gotten to change his water with the prime yet. He has taken a beating from the water changes. I ordered him some meds online. I think I’ll have to make a separate post about treating him.

As for the other tank I’ve had a hard time keeping it cycled. When I first started it. I put some quick start in it and left alone for about two weeks. After the two weeks I noticed a really really bad smell. The filter cartridges were covered in algae and the tank had a bad smell. I cleaned off the algae in a bucket of tank water and put it back. After a few days the smell went away. I did water testing for a few days and when the readings were good. I added a few guppies. They did good so after two weeks I started gradually adding fish.

My problem is the smell in the filters is terrible. The tank are upstairs in the back of the house and you can smell them when you walk in the front door. It’s like a rotting smell mixed with seaweed. I try hard not to throw the filter cartridges away but the smell is so bad I have to. So I’m stuck in a vicious cycle. The tank stinks so I have to throw the filter away. It smells better for a few days then stinks again. I try to deal with it for as long as I can. The longest I can go is about two or three weeks. The rotting garbage smell will keep getting worse if I don’t. The tank water is crystal clear and there is no extra food or poop on the bottom. So I’m confused as to why it stinks that bad.
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What size/ type of filtration do you use?
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