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Old 03-25-2013, 10:27 PM   #11
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You don't move them WHEN they grow, you move them so they CAN grow.

Fish in overcrowded conditions don't Thrive
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Old 03-26-2013, 02:30 AM   #12
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I agree with what jlk said. I found out the hard way that goldfish need much more room. Its much better to have a few healthy goldfish than mamy sick ones. I know my fish are constantly sick and the nitrates are a nightmare.

I have three of them in a 37gal tank and within the last month one of them has gotten so sick he can get up off the gravel. I have to hand feed him everynight and I've spent the last month trying remedy after remedy without any luck. Not to try and scare you because goldfish are great fish but they need alot of room to grow. Your going to have to pick what to do, wether you want to keep them all and invest in a large tank or pond. Or wether your going to rehome some of them.

To help your little moor give them some good water changes and lower the temp. Increased oxygenation can also help with nitrate poisoning which sounds like what your dealing with. That moor might be sensitive to nitrates now also, so if you decide to keep him thats something you'll have to be aware off. API makes a testing kit that pretty widely available that's pretty decent. I'd suggest picking one up there very usefull.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:31 AM   #13
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Well I will be making some decisions. I kind of already suspected that I had a fish buying problem. I just didn't know over crowding was this bad.

I probably will buy another tank or a bigger one. If I were to buy a bigger tank, would a 70-80g tank be ok for 3 pandas, 2 moors, 1 white butterfly, gold telescope, 1 dojo loach? And will the loach ever cause problems to my goldfish?

What is the best kind of tank? Is there a brand that is the best? I got mine from a friend that didn't want it anymore and sold me everything for 20$. So I'm pretty sure I got a petco fish tank kit.

Also I still have questions about filtration? What's the best and or most efficient filter out there?

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Old 03-27-2013, 12:42 AM   #14
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At a minimum you might be able to fit those goldfish in there. I dont know about the dojo loach causing problems but it would make an 80gal overstocked. It would already be very crowded.

I have an aquaclear hob filter. The more filtration the better. Idealy you should have a filter big enough for a tank twice your size. I have a 70gal filter for my 37gal tank and then I have another 40gal filter in there just for extra filtration. I would look for a larger tank or get two 40-50gal tanks.
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Old 03-27-2013, 10:41 AM   #15
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Well I will be making some decisions. I kind of already suspected that I had a fish buying problem. I just didn't know over crowding was this bad.

I probably will buy another tank or a bigger one. If I were to buy a bigger tank, would a 70-80g tank be ok for 3 pandas, 2 moors, 1 white butterfly, gold telescope, 1 dojo loach? And will the loach ever cause problems to my goldfish?

What is the best kind of tank? Is there a brand that is the best? I got mine from a friend that didn't want it anymore and sold me everything for 20$. So I'm pretty sure I got a petco fish tank kit.

Also I still have questions about filtration? What's the best and or most efficient filter out there?

Thanks again
I would probably look into a 55g then split the fish between the two tanks. If your in the US, Craigslist has 55g's very inexpensively because they are a pretty common size (.25 to .50 cents per gallon). When Petco or Pet Supplies Plus has their $1/g sales, you can get a new 55g for just $55. Larger used tanks tend to run a bit pricier. Then just dont purchase anymore fish. You can use either a big canister or two large HOB type filters. And make sure you look into a good liquid test kit such as the API fw master test kit because you really need to be able to accurately test your tanks. Please ask if you have questions!
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:07 PM   #16
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I have been doing a lot more water changes and they are doing better.

One of my panda orandas gills seems sunken in and hills gills are not normal. Almost like their sticking out. He's been like this for a while but it's getting worse. I assume its from overcrowding and bad water. Also I can see 3 to 4 faint black spots on top of him. All I really can do is keep changing water and get a bigger tank
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Old 04-02-2013, 07:08 PM   #17
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I am glad they are doing better!

Can you post a pic of the fish you are talking about?
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:23 PM   #18
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Can't see the scales very well but they stick out and his gills are sunk in
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Are his scales sticking out from his sides? I can't see them very clearly in the pic.
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