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Old 05-26-2004, 11:02 AM   #1
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Longtimers? Higher than usual number of sick labyrinths?

I have not been on the boards but this year,
but does it seem there has been an unusual amount of sick labyrinth fish?
Especially Bettas?

Newbies..
Experienced fishkeepers..
people with lax change schedules..
people with ridgid standards...
mini tanks..
community tanks..
it doesn't seem related to any specific cause..
and all the secondary infections are confusing the issue worse (which thing was the first thing)

The symptoms are fungal/bacterial but unspecific
And it seems when you lose one you lose all.... survival rate is low...
I think I'd prefer an ich out break to all this..THAT I can treat for!

I am getting really paranoid!
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Old 05-26-2004, 11:08 AM   #2
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I don't think you are getting paranoid one bit. I personally think it comes back to the whole breeding issue. I believe poorer breeding practices are resulting in weaker fish, that don't have a chance in H-E-double hockey sticks in surviving.

To tell you the truth, this is the one reason I refuse to purchase bettas from any LFS no matter the reputation, since they don't always know where most of their fish came from. I wonder if people who have bought their fish straight from breeders are having these problems?
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Old 05-26-2004, 11:15 AM   #3
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Mrs. Peel, where do you buy bettas? (I'm looking to purchase one again - my first one died of a parasite) The first one I got at a LFS, and now I'm looking to buy a better quality betta...
Thanks! (Christmasfish may have some suggestions too...)
*Oh and I'm sorry to hear about all your fish troubles, Christmasfish. It can be very disheartening. I hope things start looking up soon - hang in there!
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Old 05-26-2004, 11:49 AM   #4
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I normally don't plug..but every betta that my daughter bought from BC Betta
is full size, healthy, happy and they were affordable! Her pet colored fish are prolly QUITE reasonable even with shipping if you are West Coast.

The other breeders we have fish from have great, stupendous SHOW betta reps..and the animals arrived healthy, were stellar in point values, but ended up all with weak constitutions, smaller than the rest and dead.
I am not sure what I think of it all.
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Old 05-26-2004, 12:27 PM   #5
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yeah every gourami and beta i bought died. i bought 3 dwarfs (2/3 were in a uncycled tank [didnt know) and the last one died of unknown causes. and both betas died from popeye.
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My girls and boy were very healthy, However a infected betta came in and just ravaged my tank.

I'm still unsure if it was the same thing that killed my male, since he was quite old, but the timing makes me question.. Oh, and there was no cross contamination between tanks.

Other than my male having popeye [ Which was cured ] I've had no problem with my bettas in the year and a half I had him, and the 8 or so months I had the girls.
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I already had a male and a female in the 55gal community tank.
I went out and bought two more males last weekend.
After hearing of the problems yall are having here I started changing water every other day.
I hope this will keep mine alive and well
We'll see.
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By the way,
I put the female from the 55 in a 10 with one of the new males and he has built a bubble nest.... 8O

She is still kinda running from him but we'll see what happens.
*keeping fingers crossed*
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Knock on wood, but my three boys have been healthy except for Moe's finrot which seems to be getting better. I agree with MrsPeel that inbreeding and poor breeding has weakened the stock out there. Add to that the willy-nilly use of powerful antibiotics by our society (for viral colds, in our food, etc) and their eventual release into the environment - creating stronger strains of bacteria.

The problem of poor breeding stock extends across the hobby. I've lost lots of tetras and zebra danios over the months and it's not due to poor water quality or bad husbandry! My tanks are cycled, water parameters are fantastic, and I do water changes and gravel vacs weekly. What more can I do or what am I doing worng? I believe the answer is nothing - buying fish from the lfs is just a crapshoot nowadays. Quarrantine is more important now than ever. I just hope that if they're gonna die they do it before the return period expires!
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I totally agree that QT pays! I have even planned for the atrition of new fish.
I purchased 10 (but got 11 tee hee) of my danos expecting a few to die. I did have one small guy die after what seemed like cotton mouth. Treated the whole tank and waited for 6 days after treatment (since it is so contagious) and no further out break before they were released in the big tank. Boy was I surprised when he was my only loss! Pleased, but surprised.
Then a few days later they were unusually slow for long enough to count... and I had 10! That is when I figured out we must have got a freebe!
That experience was the first time I held onto QT proceedure. Normally I would buy them and only hold them in QT for a day or two. Then their sickness would infect the whole tank and I would lose others as well! I hate being patient, but it does pay off!
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