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Old 01-15-2011, 10:40 PM   #21
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Do you have somewhere else to put them? If you do, you can try that, but not if there are other fish in the other tank. I am not sure about amphibians getting ich.
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:58 PM   #22
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I just did some quick research on amphibians and ick. The answer is a big YES the can and do get ick just like fish.
BUT, NEVER TREAT AMPHIBIANS WITH MALACHITE GREEN, FORMALDIHYDE, or COPPER.
I couldn't find a lot on the subject but, it did say to try Acriflavine to treat amphibious frogs.
They didn't say anything about Mud Puppies, but I would imagine that they would be closer to frogs than fish, when it comes to treating them for ick.
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:08 AM   #23
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Polyguard contains malachite green. It is also harmful to inverts and is not always easy to remove, even with chemical intervention.

Stick with the Kordon Dk remommended. It also is effective against secondary infections common after ich infestation.
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:35 AM   #24
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Ok, I just did a bunch of reading on Ich-Attack and the stuff in the bottle you got (Herbtana). According to www.fosterandsmithaquatics.com the Ich-Attack is:




For netting, handling or adding new fish, amphibians, turtles and other aquatic reptiles: Add 1 teaspoonful (approx. 5 ml) of Ich-Attack for every 10 gallons (approx. 40 liters) of water. Repeat dosage daily, 3-7 days of treatment will usually be sufficient. Cold water conditions may require a longer treatment time. If the animal's condition appears to be less than satisfactory during this time, treat as recommended for severe infections. After the treatment period is over, make a 25% water change.
  • Safe for fishes normally sensitive to medications including "scaleless" fishes such as loaches and catfishes, coral reef fishes and fry
  • Will not harm eggs
  • Will not harm plants or reef aquariums
  • Can be used with amphibians and reptiles
  • Does not stain aquarium decor, aquarium sealants or equipment
  • Will not permanently discolor the water
  • Ich-Attack can be used with all Kordon Water Conditioners such as NovAqua, AmQuel, and PolyAqua, all Kordon Water Clarifiers (TransClear and Sea Clear) and all AquaTru Water Quality Test Kits.
Herbtana:
Benefits of Ecological Laboratories Microbe-Lift Herbtana and Microbe-Lift Artemiss
Nontoxic
Environmentally friendly
Does not result in resistance
When used as directed they are safe for all salt, fresh, and brackish water fish. Also reef-safe and safe for plants.
Does not affect nitrifying bacteria (bio-filter bacteria)
Does not color the water or stain or affect silicone sealing
No harmful residues- Microbe-Lift Herbtana and Microbe-Lift Artemiss are completely biodegradable
More effective than home remedies

I don't see anywhere where it says that the Herbtana is okay for reptiles and amphibians, but the Ich-Attack is.
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Old 01-16-2011, 01:24 AM   #25
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Polyguard contains malachite green. It is also harmful to inverts and is not always easy to remove, even with chemical intervention.

Stick with the Kordon Dk remommended. It also is effective against secondary infections common after ich infestation.
Yes, I know, that's why I did some research and found out that,
1. Aquatic Amphibians can and do get ick as easily as fish.
2. You can not treat them for ick the same as you do fish.
3. It was suggested on an amphibian website that Acroflavine
would be a good choice. But, I don't have any personal
experience with it.
I don't have any Aquatic Amphibians of any kind and I know nothing about them. So I looked it up, to help someone having trouble.
Being disabled, I have more time than most people to do a little extra research. Plus I thoroughly enjoy learning about new things. So it's never a burden for me to look something up for someone else.
As far as Polyguard goes, I've used it for years now and I've never had a problem with removing it with regular carbon filtration. And it has helped my fish when they've been ill but I had no idea with what.
Once I took someones advice and used Tetracycline. What a mess, I had yellow gritty foam everywhere and both fish died.
So now I stick with what has worked well for me.
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Thank you all for the awesome info (:
I used herbtana in my tank last night. I didn't want anyone to suffer any longer. I took the mud puppy out and also the frogs. This morning everything looks pretty much the same. But no deaths. I'm going to continue the treatment. I was wondering if I should do the common pwc before the new dose. But it doesn't say it on this bottle. And does for all the other kinds of ich treatment. Maybe I don't need to for this one?
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Old 01-16-2011, 12:27 PM   #27
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PWC

Even if it doesn't say so on the bottle, PWC are our best bet during illness/crisis. With the PWC you remove what ever may be in the water that caused the illness, ie...Ick, Ammonia/Nitrite toxicity. Keeping anything that may be toxic diluted gives your fish one less thing to fight against while in a weakened/compromised condition.
And you don't want to give something bad in the water a chance to grow stronger.
Doing smaller, but more frequent PWC helps keep the fish stress to a minimum, STRESS KILLS. In fact stress is bad for every living thing, from people to plants.
So I would would do PWC every day until everyone is back to full strength. But it's up to you, your the one looking at the fish not me. So you know better than any of us if your fish are showing signs of stress or signs of improvement.
Also if you need anything researched right now, I know your hands are full with ill fish, please don't hesitate to ask.
I will be happy to look up any info. you may need. Just let me know what it is you need to know about.
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Will do. Thanks. I hope this ends soon. This is just horrible. I'm watching my fish suffer.
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As far as Polyguard goes, I've used it for years now and I've never had a problem with removing it with regular carbon filtration.


Carbon will remove the green coloration but will not rid the tank fully of malachite, which is highly undersireable once the aqauria is back to health.
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Will do. Thanks. I hope this ends soon. This is just horrible. I'm watching my fish suffer.
I agree with you, watching a fish lying about gasping for air is horrid. It causes me physical pain to see anything else suffer.
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