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Old 08-02-2005, 06:17 PM   #1
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Sick goldie

I have a 25gal tank with 3 goldies and a pleco. One of the goldfish seems rather lethargic - he keeps his dorsal and anal fins close to his body and just kind of lolls around the tank. He also seems to have a greying of his scales. I did a 50% WC to as a first step - anyone have further suggestions.
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Old 08-02-2005, 06:21 PM   #2
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what are your NH3, NO2 and NO3 levels? has your ph and kh been staible?
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How long have you had the fish, and what is the tank temperature?
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Sadly, you guys were much faster than I was. Goldie left this mortal coil at ~9:30 CDT - godspeed little guy.

In an effort to find meaning in his loss, here is the data:
NH3 = .25
NO2 = 0
NO3 = 40
pH = 7.2 (stable for past month or so)
hard = 75 (down from 150 a month ago)
temp = 74 F
and I've had him for about 8 months. I must confess some serious reservations about these test results - my 2 other tanks tested basically the same. **** dip tests! I vow to never dip again!
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Sorry to hear of your loss. I'm afraid I can't offer much assistance for your cause. Ammonia should be at 0 ppm. Perhaps you could have the lfs test your parameters to confirm your findings?
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Old 08-03-2005, 10:03 AM   #6
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Sounds like you should keep some water for later tests..
Sometimes LFS's have poor test results.. see if you cant get a better test kit.. I like to recomend this one..
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Could have been the ammonia. The fact that you are still showing ammonia after 8 months could mean varying ammonia levels inbetween water changes. Perhaps getting quite high, and then lower again. Either that, or you aren't cleaning your tank enough, and are building up a lot of ammonia. It burns gills, making breathing (and thus moving) difficult, and can result in the lethargy you experienced. Sorry for your fish.
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I just purchased an Aquarium Pharmaceuticals Master Test Kit so maybe I can get more accurate results. As far as ammonia levels, is it really possible to have an incomplete cycle after so long? I do 25% WCs weekly, sometimes 50% so I feel like the tank is clean. I know goldfish are dirty but still. And the fact that the other tanks readings are so similar... Well, I'm gonna go play with the new chemistry set - I'll let you know what the results are. Thanks for all the help though...
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Ok, here are the final AP results:

pH = 7.6/8.0
NH3 = 0
NO2 = 0
NO3 = 80 (kinda difficult to read)

Is this level way too high? I do have a bit of an algae build up....

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Your nitrates are high, yes...but not exactly enough to kill. The reason I mentioned an incomplete cycle before is because you mentioned that you had ammonia in your tank. In a cycled tank, ammonia should rarely, if ever, show up... Barring a death, etc.
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