The dreaded dropsy :(

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Andrea-C

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Will go through and answer the questions you ask first.

1~What type of fish is afflicted? In addition, please describe what is wrong with the fish to the best of your ability (i.e. cotton like growth, bloated, etc.):

After checking on my fish all day as it has been an extremely hot day here in Sydney, I have notice a swelling just after my fish's two fins and some slight pineconeing of the scales. It is a comet goldfish, six years old.

2~What are your tank parameters (ammonia, nitrites, nitrates, temp, pH)? Please give exact values.

Ammonia: 0 Nitrites: 0 Nitrates: 20 Ph: 7.6 (always this). Temp has been fluctuating between 26-30 degrees celsius the past few days due to horrible weather and a broken air conditioner. That is 78-86 for Americans.

3~ How large is the tank? How long has the tank been set up?

It is 90L or 20 gallons, these is 2 fish in there. One common and one comet who is the sick one. It has been set up for just over 2 years now I think.

4~What type of filtration are you using? Please give the name and number (i.e. Fluval 304) and amount of gph if known.

It is an Aqua One, meant for a 150L tank.

5~How many fish are in the tank? What kinds of fish are they and what are their current sizes?

Two goldfish, the sick one is about 5 inches and the common is about 3 inches.

6~When is the last time you did a water change and vacuum the gravel? How often do you do this? How much water do you remove at a time?

I did a water change on Friday which included the vacumming the gravel. I also re-arranged the tank, which involved pick up a piece of driftwood in there, that had lots of gunk under it.

I do water changes ever 2-3 weeks, changing about 50-60% of the water.

7~How long have you had the fish? If the fish is new, how did you acclimate it/them?

Not new, it is 6 years old.

8~Have you added anything new to the tank--decor, new dechlorinator, new substrate, etc.?

Yes new plants and a new plastic or whatever decor.

9~What kind of food have you been feeding your fish, have you changed their diet recently?

Regular food. Goldfish pellets, frozen peas, freeze dried worms, vegetables, algae wafers.


I am so worried now. I've seen other people go through the dreaded dropsy and I am just devastated. I love my fish but I am no natural. In Australia antibiotic food is also not available and I have no hospital tank. The only other tank I have is a 9 litre or 2 gallon tank, I am currently cycling for a betta. I don't know what to do. Is there any chance it could be anything else? It is not it's stomach but it's chest area.

Oh and she is acting completely fine. This has been very sudden and she is still swimming around happily. If it is has been building up and I have not noticed, then she has still been acting fine and eating like there is no tomorrow as usual. No clapped fins or anything and very active.
 
Can/Should I do the epsom salt treatment even with the other fish in the tank? I mean it can't hurt can it? And what is the recommendation 1/4 teaspoon per 5 gallons?
 
Thanks for all the info! Can you possibly post a pic so we can see what exactly your dealing with here? Are all of his scales pineconing or just a little area? Does he have any red streaks or splotches? Is he swimming normally (not sitting or floating) and eating normally?
 
No currenr red splotches or streaks, but had some faint ones maybe a week or two ago as they are something I deal with every summer with this particular goldfish.

Tried to treat those red splotches with everything under the moon, until I just stopped. They didn't affect her and I thought it was best just to leave in the end as they went away as the water cooled.

If you look here you can see some old photos of the red splotches. It is the orange fish with all the red marks I have previously posted on the internet

I will get some current photos up. If you didn't look closely or from above, you wouldn't even notice!
 
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Here is a video I just uploaded onto youtube of my fish Sunshine (the orange one)

M4V00738 - YouTube

No red blotches or streaks and is acting 100% normal
 
As a new member, when you post videos/links, they have to be approved by a moderator before showing. This is a spam prevention measure, and will go away after you have a few more posts and bit more time on the forum. Sorry for the trouble. Posts are approved and showing now.
 
Is there any chance you have a vet that would be willing to help you or an aquatic vet in your area? Generally, a course of Metromeds would be recommended (metronizadole medicated food) for a goldfish starting to dropsy. If you can get a vets help, you could make your own metro food or if its an aquatic vet, he/she can try a stronger course of meds such as a Baytril (bath or injections).

If this absolutely is not an option, theres probably antibacterial treatments (not the same as antibiotics) available to you that you could try. For epsom salts, you can either add a bit directly to the tank (1 tsp per 10g) or do it seperately as a bath (1tsp/g for 10-20mins). Just make sure the epsoms are dissolved in a bit of tank water before adding to the tank or dissolved completely in the bath before using. If you use a bath, if at any time he starts to roll over or seems very stressed, move him right back to the tank. If adding to the tank, only add back what you remove with a water change (ie, 50%wc, add back 1/2tsp). Please ask if you have any questions!
 
Oh thanks. Sorry about all the posts then!

I do have a vet that say they do treat aquatic life, I take my birds there also as they are specialists vet. I just have never asked them about fish, I should give them a call.

As for the epsom salts, I've also heard you can put them in peas, is that a good choice? Will epsom salts affect the other fish?

I'm going to go out and get some epsom salts now.
 
sadly, its usually too late once there are signs. when my betta had it(the week i was banned....*mumbles offensive stuff*) i gave her a brine bath, an idea i got from a different forum(seems to be down)(only for 30 seconds to a minute at a time). it helped a little, but she still died. dropsy is cause by bad water, which can lead to something along the lines of kidney failure. they begin to process water(etc) ineffeciently and retain it. im pretty sure it eventually crushes there organs:( good luck,
 
I have called the local vet who specialises in birds, fish and reptiles and have made an appointment in a few hours. I'm very luck I have them and worst come to worst, hopefully they can put her down humanely :(

I am not doing anything until I get there, except I will now do a big water change.
 
Baytril (enrofloxacin) has had the most success treating dropsied goldfish. Your vet may have other options as well. Good luck & keep us posted!
 
Ok so an update.

Took Sunshine to the vet and they believed it to be a bacterial infection from the heat seeing as water seems to be fine. They have given me a liquid antibiotic, I mix this in with some water and put it in a bucket with an airstone. I now have Sunshine in that for 5 hours and must do this every day for 5 hours for 5 days.

The things you have to do when antibiotic food is not an option!

The antibiotic is called enrotril and after some googling just seems to be another form of Baytril. I am to call them back if no improvement in 2 days.

Fingers crossed!
 
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