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Old 02-02-2011, 11:56 PM   #11
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Could the positive test result be from chloramine?
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If your not using prime, give it a shot. Supposed to be a better water conditioner.
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If your not using prime, give it a shot. Supposed to be a better water conditioner.
I always use Prime when I set up a tank or do PWC. The only time I use something else is if my fish have been fighting or have been ill or something has really stressed them out. Then I use BigAls water conditioner with Aloe.
I've gone through many bottles of Prime lately, it hasn't made any difference
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Old 02-03-2011, 03:03 AM   #14
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Could the positive test result be from chloramine?
I have no idea. I just used the API Master Test Kit, the only one that tested positive was the ammonia.
To be honest I'm not sure what chloramines are, other than they're bad and Prime removes them along with the chlorine.
How would chloramines cause a false positive for ammonia?
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Chloramines kill the bacteria in public drinking water. I don't know how the could give false posituves.
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Chloramines
Drinking water odor and flavor have improved by the application of chloramines from the beginning of the twenty-first century. Eventually chloramines were also used for disinfection.

What are the properties of chloramines?

Chloramines are formed during a reaction between chlorine (Cl2) and ammonia (NH3). Chloramines are amines which contain at least one chlorine atom, which is directly bond to nitrogen atoms (N). Inorganic chloramines are formed when dissolved chlorine and ammonia react. During this reaction three different inorganic chloramines are formed; monochloramine (NH2Cl), dichloramine (NHCl2) en trichloramine (NCl3).
Inorganic chloramines, free chlorine and organic chloramines are chemically related and can change into one another easily. These compounds cannot be found in isolated form. Inorganic chloramines are not persistent, however, these compounds are more persistent than freely available chlorine compounds. Research has shown that the half-lives of inorganic chloramines can vary from one minute to 23 days, depending on the circumstances.


How are chloramines produced?

Chloramines are frequently produced by adding ammonia to water containing free chlorine (HOCl or OCl, depending on the pH). The ideal pH value for this reaction is 8,4. this means the water is slightly alkaline.

Reaction mechanism:
NH3 (aq) + HOCI -> NH2Cl + H2O

When the reaction takes place three kinds of inorganic chloramines can be formed. The pH value determines which kind of chloramines is formed. Trichloramines mainly form when the pH value is 3 or below. When the pH value is 7 or above, dichloramine concentrations are highest.
The amounts of chlorine and ammonia in the water also influence the origination of chloramines. The chlorine/ ammonia rate is ideally 6:1. During chloramine production the rate is usually 3-5:1. When ammonia concentrations are higher, more di- and trichloramines are formed.
Organic chloramines can also be formed during these reactions. Organic chloramines cannot be distinguished from other chloramines, using standard chloramine analysis methods.


Read more: Chloramines as a disinfectant

I now know that ammonia is added to our water. I would still call the water department to test the water and to give advise.
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Could the positive test result be from chloramine?

Looks like it could be.
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I've been battling with ammonia for some time now. No matter what I did I couldn't get the ammonia to zero. So I tested the water directly from the tap and low and behold it's positive for ammonia. Not quite .25 but close.
What am I suppose to do to get rid of the tap ammonia? So I can get rid ammonia in the tank?
This is really frustrating.

What readings are you getting after you put prime into your tapwater. Test only water from the tap. Actually before and after test.
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What readings are you getting after you put prime into your tap water. Test only water from the tap. Actually before and after test.
The readings are the same pre and post Prime. It's about .15, not dangerous but still a measurable amount.
I don't know if you've heard of it but I just ordered an ECO-Aqualizer. It's suppose to remove all the ammonia and any other toxins in your tank water. It claims to reduce tank maintenance by 75%. And to eliminate fish stress and virtually eliminate fish diseases that are caused by bad water or stress.
I have no idea if it will do any of the things it claims to do. But it has a 180 day money back guarantee. Plus has a 35 day free trial, you just pay $15.00 for handling and if you hate it send it back. If you think it may work for you, they charge you after 35 days. And then you still have 145 days to see how it works long term. Hate it, get your money back. Like it, get one for each of your other tanks.
It's a pretty safe way to try something new.
Also, thank you for taking the time to explain chloramines. Unfortunately I couldn't really fallow, I got lost pretty quickly so the rest made little to no sense to me.
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I've been battling with ammonia for some time now. No matter what I did I couldn't get the ammonia to zero. So I tested the water directly from the tap and low and behold it's positive for ammonia. Not quite .25 but close.
What am I suppose to do to get rid of the tap ammonia? So I can get rid ammonia in the tank?
This is really frustrating.
Hi there,

I think I read that your tanks are still in the cycling process, is that correct? Although it's not normal to have ammonia in your tap water, it is normal to see ammonia during the cycling process. (It can take anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months).

I also read that you have nitrites in tank #4. This is also normal during the nitrite process, I would expect you will see those nitrites disappear and turn into Nitrates (Which would mean your tank has cycled).

The ammonia in your tap water could be somewhat of a good thing (for now) It will kick start the cycling process as bacteria will start to build to deal with it. (Some people actually put pure ammonia in their tank to start the cycling process, however I would not recommend it).

Hopefully this may help, I would hazard a guess that you will most likely see nitrites spiking on all 4 tanks soon and soon after that you should see nitrates.

Once the tanks have cycled it should deal with the ammonia form your tap water, although you should find a way of eliminating the ammonia before doing a PWC.

I could be on the totally wrong track also, hope this helps a little bit.

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