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Old 01-28-2006, 03:15 PM   #1
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Questions about DIY wet/dry

So after finally having enough of my hob filter for my 55 gal making horrible noises from sucking up sand in the middle of the night. I have decided to venture into the wet/dry sump. I am really enjoy building things and designing things. However I have the feeling making a sump will be a little harder than building my computer. So before i get myself into this i have some questions.

How big will it need to be? I am considering getting a 29gal to replace my 20 gal tank. Would a 20 gal work? I would rather go out and buy a cheap 10 gal tank then use my 20 gal. I would like to use the 20 gal later.

What tools will I need? My dad has a drill, we have saws and well I'm not really sure what else. We just don't have the best of power tools...

Does Anybody have a good DIY wet/dry sump instructions. As well as a overflow.

What kind of pump will I need? I am asuming i couldn't use the one from my current HOB filter.

Thanks for you help!
Any advice is wanted.
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Old 01-28-2006, 08:50 PM   #2
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All about sumps:
http://www.melevsreef.com/what_sump.html
also follow the links in this page to get all sorts of details - look for a series of articles from Reefkeeping Magazine at the bottom - most informative.... and look at the rest of the site as well.

A DIY overflow plan:
http://www.melevsreef.com/acrylics/overflow.html

A DIY drilled tank:
http://www.duboisi.com/diy/BNdiytank/bndiytank.htm

DIY sumps need not be difficult (esp. if you are creative & use rubbermaid tubs rather than custom build acrylics.) It is easier than building a computer --- You don't have to deal with Windows or Microsoft!!

A drill & Dremel is kinda the minimum tools you need .... but if you are getting into fancy acrylic fabrication, then table saw, router, tourch for bending, and all sorts of clamps & jigs comes into play.

Size of sump - bigger the better .... I'd go for the biggest container that will fit the space you have. You'll need a new water pump for the return (the HOB pump is too puny to do the job).
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thanks for the help!
I am about to throw my filter against the wall. I cleaned everything out and i could still here it down the hall from my room
I think i will go with the rubbermaid container they are pretty cheap I can proabably fit a 30 gallon under my tank so that should be a good size. I will post my plans tomorrow probably.
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i was kinda suprised to find that 30 gal storage tubs were about 50 dollars. I mean they are just plastic....
well any way i like the way glass/arcylic sumps look how you can see everything in them. Well any way i will start working on the lay out
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Ok so i am going to make my own acryllic sump.
using these plans i found
http://www.melevsreef.com/29g/sump/design.html
I know its small for a 55gal, I think i will take out hte refugium and put more buble traps but filled with different filter medias
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i was kinda suprised to find that 30 gal storage tubs were about 50 dollars. I mean they are just plastic....
well any way i like the way glass/arcylic sumps look how you can see everything in them. Well any way i will start working on the lay out
You should shop around - I found my 30 gal tub in the hardware section (it's a tool storage box) for $10. Clear rubermaid tubs goes for 20-30.

OTOH acrylics do look nice, & more flexible in your size, compartments, etc. I have to warn you that a sheet of 1/4" acrylic runs over $100 for the cheap stuff & double that for the good kind.
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I have to warn you that a sheet of 1/4" acrylic runs over $100 for the cheap stuff & double that for the good kind.
Wow really? I thought they were pretty cheap at least from what i read. I will go to the hardware store to look around at prices for acrilics and storage bins. If i used a rubber bin how could i make compartments
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Our local HD don't even stock 1/4" acrylics .... and the 1/8" goes for $60 a half sheet (4x4).

I made compartments by having smaller bins inside the big bins. If needed, you can attach the bins together with nylon/plastic nuts & bolts (above the water line so no chance of leaking). I supposed you could also try siliconing baffles & such inside but i am not sure how strong that will be, so will only do that in non-critical applications.
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I found instructions off google for one where you use those rubbermaid/sterilite plastic shelves and drill holes through the bottom to make it more like a trickle filter and you just put different medias in the different drawers. The you set it in a tub and have the tub hold the excess water along wih a pump to put it back into the tank.

It seems pretty do able. Just not to pleasing to the eye. I have to place the sump outside the stand, because i am using a dresser as the stand.
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For a visible sump, acrylics is prob better looking .... although if you can find a funky tub that will fit in with your decor, it might work too.

Someone here (TomK or cz) has very similar setup of exposed sump. He used a regular fish tank for the sump, and planted it (plus a few shrimps) to make it look nice. You could divide up a tank so you can have a nice looking planted fuge in the front, to hide the compartments in the back for your biomedia, pump, heater, etc. .... just a thought .....
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