2 wierd things - Aquarium Advice

krap101 · 09-21-2005, 10:14 PM

okay a couple days ago i went to the apple orchard. i bought some apple cider. i drank about 1/2 of by the 2nd day and it was fine. the 3rd day after school i come home and i open it up, and there was quite a bit of pressure built up inside of it. when i opened it some air rushed out and then i smelled it. it smelled like a mix of apple cider and some sort of alcahol.... i dont understand how something can turn bad in about 18 hours

and the past few weeks while waiting for the bus, ive been looking around my driveway for something to kill my boredom. i looked at one of my mom's flowers, and there were like sleeping bees... i tried poking them a couple times with a stick and it kinda looked like they were drunk.. after a few days of the pokings i didnt see as many, and a couple days later i didnt see any on the flowers, but on one of my mom's trees. it was "drunk" like the rest of them.

any explanations?

deli_conker · 09-21-2005, 10:50 PM

The sugar and the fruit will ferment into alcohol.

I'm not sure how old you are, so as a SCIENCE EXPERIMENT, you can take a gallon of real apple cider, figure out a way to ferment it (no help from me on this one), and then freeze it. when it starts it will be around 4%. Get rid of the ice that forms. The stuff underneath is pretty strong, around 30% alcohol. I think it's known as "applejack", but I may be wrong on that one.

The good part is that you won't remember your name after drinking a good bit of it.
The bad part is that if you don't distill it, you may be ingesting methanol which can lead to blindness and death (much like a drinking a can of Fudd beer). Oops!

krap101 · 09-21-2005, 11:01 PM

im 14

but if it ferments wont it ferment evenly? the day earlier it was fine..

dralarms · 09-22-2005, 12:17 AM

Quote:

I think it's known as "applejack", but I may be wrong on that one.

Actually known as "apple Corn (spelled korn). wonderful stuff (when I used to drink)

Toirtis · 09-22-2005, 12:45 AM

Have some friends that do it with crabapple cider....hits about 50% alcohol after a couple of rounds in the lab freezer....pretty rough stuff....this is the same process by which 'ice wine' and 'ice beer' are made....pretty basic science. You can also see fermentation inside a Nutrafin [acronym:94b1d222af="Carbon dioxide"]CO2[/acronym:94b1d222af] unit....just simple yeast pee.

krap101 · 09-22-2005, 12:52 AM

ic

. that was some good cider. lol 5.00

Scottm · 09-22-2005, 01:45 AM

no methanol will be produced. That comes from the days when people would distill denatured alchohol for flavored spirits and mistakenly get the methynol instead of the ethynol out. thats bad but all you will create is a nice fortified spirit by letting apple cidar sit, its pleasantly fizzy too. if you distill it all you will get is the alchohol and very little of the flavor. reminds me that I should go pick up some apple cidar this weekend.

Toirtis · 09-22-2005, 01:47 AM

Its true. Distillation is potentially pretty hazardous, both in the propcedure and the product...illegal, too...nothing to be trying at home.

Scottm · 09-22-2005, 03:10 AM

sure is unless you are one of the lucky people who live in New Zealand. I'm jelous we have to get a permit here in the states and can't produce more then a certain amount.

Jermz79 · 09-23-2005, 11:59 AM

Cider Jack .... 5.99 a sixer at the local corner store! Good Stuff too!! Of course you only being 14 does you no good, but in 7 years at least you'll know the good stuff!

09-21-2005, 10:14 PM	#1
krap101 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roscoe, IL Posts: 3,824 Images: 12	2 wierd things okay a couple days ago i went to the apple orchard. i bought some apple cider. i drank about 1/2 of by the 2nd day and it was fine. the 3rd day after school i come home and i open it up, and there was quite a bit of pressure built up inside of it. when i opened it some air rushed out and then i smelled it. it smelled like a mix of apple cider and some sort of alcahol.... i dont understand how something can turn bad in about 18 hours and the past few weeks while waiting for the bus, ive been looking around my driveway for something to kill my boredom. i looked at one of my mom's flowers, and there were like sleeping bees... i tried poking them a couple times with a stick and it kinda looked like they were drunk.. after a few days of the pokings i didnt see as many, and a couple days later i didnt see any on the flowers, but on one of my mom's trees. it was "drunk" like the rest of them. any explanations? __________________ Wizards first rule-People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true. Wizards second rule-The greatest harm can result from the best intentions. Wizards third rule-Passion rules reason. Wizards fourth rule-There is magic in forgiveness the magic to heal! In the forgiveness you grant, and more so in the forgiveness you receive. Wizards fifth rule-Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie. Wizards sixth rule-The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. Wizards seventh rule-Life is the future, not the past Wizards eighth rule-Deserve victory. Wizards ninth rule-Contradictions don't exist, in whole or in part.

09-21-2005, 11:01 PM	#3
krap101 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roscoe, IL Posts: 3,824 Images: 12	im 14 but if it ferments wont it ferment evenly? the day earlier it was fine.. __________________ Wizards first rule-People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true. Wizards second rule-The greatest harm can result from the best intentions. Wizards third rule-Passion rules reason. Wizards fourth rule-There is magic in forgiveness the magic to heal! In the forgiveness you grant, and more so in the forgiveness you receive. Wizards fifth rule-Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie. Wizards sixth rule-The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. Wizards seventh rule-Life is the future, not the past Wizards eighth rule-Deserve victory. Wizards ninth rule-Contradictions don't exist, in whole or in part.

09-22-2005, 12:45 AM	#5
Toirtis Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,768	Have some friends that do it with crabapple cider....hits about 50% alcohol after a couple of rounds in the lab freezer....pretty rough stuff....this is the same process by which 'ice wine' and 'ice beer' are made....pretty basic science. You can also see fermentation inside a Nutrafin [acronym:94b1d222af="Carbon dioxide"]CO2[/acronym:94b1d222af] unit....just simple yeast pee. __________________ G. A. Christian Bilou, Zoologist/Writer Founder/Director, Reptile Rescue Alberta Vice-President, Calgary Aquarium Society www.calgaryaquariumsociety.com Polypterid/Primitive Fish/Ctenopoma/Catfish Fanatic 62 Aquariums, 2200+ total gallons, Aquarist since 1971.

09-22-2005, 12:52 AM	#6
krap101 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Roscoe, IL Posts: 3,824 Images: 12	ic . that was some good cider. lol 5.00 __________________ Wizards first rule-People are stupid. They will believe anything they want to be true or fear to be true. Wizards second rule-The greatest harm can result from the best intentions. Wizards third rule-Passion rules reason. Wizards fourth rule-There is magic in forgiveness the magic to heal! In the forgiveness you grant, and more so in the forgiveness you receive. Wizards fifth rule-Mind what people do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie. Wizards sixth rule-The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. Wizards seventh rule-Life is the future, not the past Wizards eighth rule-Deserve victory. Wizards ninth rule-Contradictions don't exist, in whole or in part.

09-22-2005, 01:47 AM	#8
Toirtis Aquarium Advice Addict Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Posts: 6,768	Its true. Distillation is potentially pretty hazardous, both in the propcedure and the product...illegal, too...nothing to be trying at home. __________________ G. A. Christian Bilou, Zoologist/Writer Founder/Director, Reptile Rescue Alberta Vice-President, Calgary Aquarium Society www.calgaryaquariumsociety.com Polypterid/Primitive Fish/Ctenopoma/Catfish Fanatic 62 Aquariums, 2200+ total gallons, Aquarist since 1971.

09-21-2005, 10:50 PM	#2
deli_conker Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 1,284 Images: 7	The sugar and the fruit will ferment into alcohol. I'm not sure how old you are, so as a SCIENCE EXPERIMENT, you can take a gallon of real apple cider, figure out a way to ferment it (no help from me on this one), and then freeze it. when it starts it will be around 4%. Get rid of the ice that forms. The stuff underneath is pretty strong, around 30% alcohol. I think it's known as "applejack", but I may be wrong on that one. The good part is that you won't remember your name after drinking a good bit of it. The bad part is that if you don't distill it, you may be ingesting methanol which can lead to blindness and death (much like a drinking a can of Fudd beer). Oops!

09-22-2005, 01:45 AM	#7
Scottm Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BFE North carolina Posts: 452	no methanol will be produced. That comes from the days when people would distill denatured alchohol for flavored spirits and mistakenly get the methynol instead of the ethynol out. thats bad but all you will create is a nice fortified spirit by letting apple cidar sit, its pleasantly fizzy too. if you distill it all you will get is the alchohol and very little of the flavor. reminds me that I should go pick up some apple cidar this weekend.

09-22-2005, 03:10 AM	#9
Scottm Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BFE North carolina Posts: 452	sure is unless you are one of the lucky people who live in New Zealand. I'm jelous we have to get a permit here in the states and can't produce more then a certain amount.

09-23-2005, 11:59 AM	#10
Jermz79 Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spring Hill, FL Posts: 1,157	Cider Jack .... 5.99 a sixer at the local corner store! Good Stuff too!! Of course you only being 14 does you no good, but in 7 years at least you'll know the good stuff! __________________ God grant me the serenity to accept the thing's I can not change, the courage to change the thing's I can and the wisdom to know the difference! R.I.P Walena K. Cox 7/7/62 - 8/11/2002

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