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Old 09-09-2012, 08:19 PM   #21
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I Have been a member on this forum for quite some time and would like to express something that I'm sure we have all experienced. This is in no means meant as a deterrent to new comers and novice aquarists. I have become increasingly frustrated over the last few months by constant ich and aiptasia posts that have been popping up and flooding the ID section. I understand people's concern for their aquatic friends but people need to take a little initiative sometimes. When I log on and check the ID or sick fish sections and half the threads on each are "is this ich" or "is this aiptasia" it gets incredibly annoying and repetitive. Sometimes people need to take some personal accountability and do some research. If you know what aiptasia is then do a google search as opposed to taking up space on the forum for yet another aiptasia thread. There are people out there that have things that they need identified but they keep getting pushed further and further down the line with every new "aiptasia?, or I think this is aiptasia" thread clogging up the arteries. If you can spell aiptasia then you know what it is. The same thing goes with the constant ich threads and in the exact same manner. If you think it's aiptasia or ich then show some incentive and do a google search or search on this forum for it cause there is 5 million other people that have posted asking the same question and got the same answer. For a forum that [edit] everyone for being off topic I'm surprised at how lenient it is with some other more concerning issues. I am a member on many other forums and all of them will close a thread with a suggestion to actually get your fingers moving and do a search for the thousands or millions of other threads on there that already deal with the exact same issue. If a person doesn't know is one thing but like I said if you can spell the word or ask about it by some spelling rendition of the name then you know enough about it to save us all time in saying "yes it is and you need to treat it by doing this" well that's my gripe and I'm sure many others so I'll end it here and wish everyone longevity and happy pest eradication.
I'm a self Proclaimed "experienced noob". I presently dis-agree ich for instance I know there is at least one or two parasites that look similar... And if I didn't have a experienced freind to text I would have put it on here for one reason: : personnel responses : these are the best for newbies because there is a lot of "poop" on google lol and a lot of idiots when I post a question here I am in the presence of friendly people who if they do so chose to will answer my question gladly because I personally pannick when something drastic happens to my tank and a personnel answer or even better two or three different ones is the most re-assuring

2) if you would not like to respond to the ich and the other (I don't even know what this is) kindS of threads... Then well keep scrolling... Because ur right if someone asks ANY QUESTION you can be sure it's already been asked... But when your frantick ... You probably can't find it...

3) just yesterday I posted about how to make clay pots safe for aquariums.... I know it's a dumb question but I couldn't find it on google and after one post, one response, and one thank you I am not scared adding it to my tank to better benefit my tank and my knowledge to help other people
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:26 PM   #22
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I completely agree. I also want to add (I think fort may have said this earlier), post count does not necessarily equivalent experience level or aquarium knowledge. For all we know our new members may have had 45 years of fishkeeping experience already!
Exactly. Date of membership on this particular website doesn't mean they have less experience than anyone else.

A lot of people just assume that though. "Oh look, they are new here, they must have no experience, better ignore them." As if the person and their sometimes decades of experience did not exist until they came across this website and registered.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:23 PM   #23
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Exactly. Date of membership on this particular website doesn't mean they have less experience than anyone else.

A lot of people just assume that though. "Oh look, they are new here, they must have no experience, better ignore them." As if the person and their sometimes decades of experience did not exist until they came across this website and registered.
Very true
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I am not trying to deter people from asking questions And I understand people getting frantic when something goes wrong. My issue is with someone asking if they have ich or aiptasia in a new thread when the next thread bellow it already deals with the exact same thing and outlines all the ways to deal with the issue. I have come across it numerous times where there are at least three "is this aiptasia" threads on the first page of the Id forum. If you don't know what something is then ask but if your asking by name then you know what it is and can do a search for it.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:39 PM   #25
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I am not trying to deter people from asking questions And I understand people getting frantic when something goes wrong. My issue is with someone asking if they have ich or aiptasia in a new thread when the next thread bellow it already deals with the exact same thing and outlines all the ways to deal with the issue. I have come across it numerous times where there are at least three "is this aiptasia" threads on the first page of the Id forum. If you don't know what something is then ask but if your asking by name then you know what it is and can do a search for it.
I myself have answered question after question about driftwood, sand ect. I understand after a while it can feel like your repeating yourself over and over, the best solution I have came across to solve the repeating question was to write an article about it. I read each and every thread to figure out most asked questions on the subject and tried to touch base on each of them. That way when we get these repeated questions there is a page that they can refer back whenever needed and pass along to the next inquiring mind.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:41 PM   #26
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That is an excellent solution. We always need additional content for the front page.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:31 AM   #27
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I myself have answered question after question about driftwood, sand ect. I understand after a while it can feel like your repeating yourself over and over, the best solution I have came across to solve the repeating question was to write an article about it. I read each and every thread to figure out most asked questions on the subject and tried to touch base on each of them. That way when we get these repeated questions there is a page that they can refer back whenever needed and pass along to the next inquiring mind.
Very good idea but what I have found is the articles seem hard to find maybe an admin would
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:35 AM   #28
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People are not so easily split up into categories. One may know worlds about African cichlids, but be a total beginner at breeding killifish. Who is to say what issue is advanced or not? Separating things out like that can create confusion leave more room for questions to slip through the cracks and never be answered.

I am just going to add that I certainly understand frustrations with people not doing any research and instead seeking instant gratification, but there are tons of circumstances and situations that drive people to ask the questions they ask. Be careful when talking to new people and give them a bit of benefit of the doubt. You certainly can ignore questions as well and leave them for people who don't mind answering. I often have to leave threads for people with more patience than me.
I see your point but what I was saying, more to the point, was that as an " advanced" hobbyist, they would have a bit more understanding of the basics to not have to ask "Is this ich?" or "How do I handle this situation?" with the caviat being that as an advanced hobbyist, they would be able to post on both sections. However, if you are an advanced hobbyist in say, breeding Killifish and a newbie in say, African cichlids, I would think that you would want to check out and participate in the newbie section of Africans. I don't see the problem. Does that make sense? I personally would qualify as an advanced hobbyist in about 75% -80% of today's hobby but there have been new fish that have been discovered or created since I was in the biz that I would have no problem going to the newbie section to get the info on them or how to care for them.
As I said, the filtering would be a issue and I don't deny it. I just used the way AA determins "newbie, finatic, Addict" as an example. I'm a fish guy, not a computer guy. Personally, I would like to see everybody who signs on have to fill out a profile form and state their experience level. ( I have to do that on some of my business forums that I belong to.) While it might be an easy thing to fake, the questions asked by a newbie vs an advanced hobbyist are pretty easy to differentiate.

Once again, I am not here on this site not to help. It's the whole reason I got interested in this site in the first place. It just can be a bit frustrating to look at soooo many threads on the same topic, repeated over and over and over again. Scrolling past them sometimes is a job unto itself.

Once again, this was just a suggestion regarding the OP's frustration.
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I can see where you are coming from, I just don't think it's a good idea. Personally, I would rather scroll through a few extra questions than change over to a system like that. I really like our community, and one reason for that is because people of all experience levels are allowed to ask questions and contribute. Labeling people as "experienced" or "inexperienced" does not actually help the content of their advice. Also, fish keeping certainly yields multiple opinions, so I would not be a fan of a system where people need to fill out a resume in order to be taken seriously by others. There is not always one way of doing things, and it would be sad for a new person to have valid info ignored because they have not kept fish for as long as somebody else. If the info given is not valid, our more experienced or knowledgeable members are certainly welcome to chime in and offer their opinions as well. I think people on the forum can often figure out pretty fast who knows their stuff and who could use a bit more knowledge to be fully helpful.
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Old 09-10-2012, 12:57 AM   #30
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Very good idea but what I have found is the articles seem hard to find maybe an admin would
Articles are posted on the front page of the site, if there isn't something your looking for on the front page there is a search box where you can search for things there. I do wish that there was a section on the app for articles though, that would be wonderful.
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