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Old 08-22-2011, 03:57 PM   #81
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I had 100 lbs of live rock in a 55 gallon tank and it still took 2 weeks to cycle. So your telling me all the people on this site who promote fishless cycling are wrong? What's wrong with pure ammonia? What's wrong with fresh raw shrimp? At no point did I advise tossing a piece of frozen coconut shrimp in a tank.
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:58 PM   #82
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ive cycled all my sw tanks with damsels. and not really you dont water change damsels are the little roachs of the sw world.ive seen them be out of water for a hour and be put back in water and swim around
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I had 100 lbs of live rock in a 55 gallon tank and it still took 2 weeks to cycle. So your telling me all the people on this site who promote fishless cycling are wrong? What's wrong with pure ammonia? What's wrong with fresh raw shrimp? At no point did I advise tossing a piece of frozen coconut shrimp in a tank.
did you use a bacteria source such as nitromax or activate from aqualife? did you have another source of seeded material in you filtration? and not wrong i just dont believe in that and never will. and that shrimp you still dont know where its been and pure ammo ok could have accidently had some sort of copper put in it. things happen
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Just because you can do it, doesn't make it right. You can cycle without them just fine. You don't have to torture a fish, and then go through the hassle of removing it if you plan on keeping peaceful fish.
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So even in the face of all the successful cycling done on here without damsels you maintain this outdated cruel method superior? I have tried every bottled and cycle assistance product out there, the effects are minimal, if any at all.
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Just because you can do it, doesn't make it right. You can cycle without them just fine. You don't have to torture a fish, and then go through the hassle of removing it if you plan on keeping peaceful fish.
id still rather use something thats meant for a fish tank.
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:06 PM   #87
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So even in the face of all the successful cycling done on here without damsels you maintain this outdated cruel method superior? I have tried every bottled and cycle assistance product out there, the effects are minimal, if any at all.
yes actually i do. and doubt youve tried every bottle. have you even heard of activate? brand new and ive used it. i was actually on the test team for it

also just so you know my list of tanks at the bottom is about 1/25th of what ive had over the years.
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Ok, I'm not telling you that your method will not work. I'm telling you it is both dated, and cruel. Show me a tank that crashed because of a fishless cycle. If you chose to blow money on products claiming to cheat nature that's your business. But don't discourage those that chose to humanly cycle a tank and don't mind being patient.
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Ok, I'm not telling you that your method will not work. I'm telling you it is both dated, and cruel. Show me a tank that crashed because of a fishless cycle. If you chose to blow money on products claiming to cheat nature that's your business. But don't discourage those that chose to humanly cycle a tank and don't mind being patient.
ive had two crash that way. also had a customers at work via ammo method. and i tested it for the company. im pretty sure i KNOW it works. all my tanks below have used activate. very sensitive fish in all of them
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Either or, both fish-in, fishless or any other cycling method of your preferred choice can be done. Whether you think it's ethical, cruel or not is all up to you. But when comparing fish to humans is another topic on its own.

Getting back on topic, the reason they can probably cram all those fish in there at once is because they are using seeded media. Many public aquariums do that.
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