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Old 02-01-2012, 03:00 PM   #31
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:18 PM   #32
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My LFS will give advice and one personwill say one thing the next says the exact opposite. Like really? One day I bought a light fixture. They said it was perfect for my plants! I called back because of the wattage. They said it was not adaquet. BTW my plnats are growing in amazing.
I have also been told that 2 seperate fish on 2 seperate occasions would eat or not eat my RCS then another person said the opposite.
That's what happens when you ask for opinions. Everyone has one, and they are often different. In a lot of cases, especially the ones often presented in fishkeeping (stocking, equipment, etc) there really isn't a right or wrong answer. Maybe one guy had an experience or heard of someone whose RCS got eaten by their fish, maybe the other guy didn't.

Everyone has different situations and beliefs about certain things. And in more recent years, the idea of tank stocking has become more about giving the fish the most adequate home possible rather than seeing how many fish you can safely cram into a tank.

Each forum or community has it's own idea of what 'works', and a general consensus forms for certain things. Some forums and groups think its totally fine to keep a betta in a minimum of 2 gallon tank, and others would cut you to pieces for even suggesting to put one in something smaller than a heated filtered 5g.

Some people act like its a mortal sin to even suggest putting something like a school of zebra danios in a 10g. It's not something I would do personally, but it's not going to kill or hurt them, and with proper care they will be just fine, albeit cramped.

The moral of the story is that you'll always find a lot of 'wrongs' in this hobby when you look at it in a right or wrong context.
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:31 PM   #33
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Oh! And my uncle doesn't grease cichlids, but he does breed them! Lol! Sorry. Fat fingered that on my phone.
Just to show you how little I know, I almost googled 'greasing cichlids' LOL!
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Old 02-01-2012, 06:04 PM   #34
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Just to show you how little I know, I almost googled 'greasing cichlids' LOL!
Ha! I know,right? I hope it's not a real thing, bcause it sounds pretty bad!
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just to show you how little i know, i almost googled 'greasing cichlids' lol!
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I like your point savage. I agree. I do still think that people could be more educated when they work in this field. Petsmart trains its employees on this stuff so you know they could train them to do things different when better methods are found.
Also Jetajockey, I hope you dont take this wrong but I have issues with you statement that you would sell a fish to a person knowing that their tank is unsuitable. My LFS will deny people if their tank is unsuitable. To knowingly sell a fish to someone who cannot or will not take care of it is unethical. I would respect you more for not selling it. Now if you were going against commonly accepted knowledge, like for example saying a zebra danio would not be ok in a 20 long, then I would get mad and quiet possibly not come back. Its all about if you use common sense and politeness.
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I like your point savage. I agree. I do still think that people could be more educated when they work in this field. Petsmart trains its employees on this stuff so you know they could train them to do things different when better methods are found.
Also Jetajockey, I hope you dont take this wrong but I have issues with you statement that you would sell a fish to a person knowing that their tank is unsuitable. My LFS will deny people if their tank is unsuitable. To knowingly sell a fish to someone who cannot or will not take care of it is unethical. I would respect you more for not selling it. Now if you were going against commonly accepted knowledge, like for example saying a zebra danio would not be ok in a 20 long, then I would get mad and quiet possibly not come back. Its all about if you use common sense and politeness.
All you can do is educate a person and hope for the best. It isn't the sellers right to deny their customer a fish. Tell them that it isn't smart or optimum, if they want the fish anyway then that is their problem.
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Old 02-01-2012, 11:15 PM   #38
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Also Jetajockey, I hope you dont take this wrong but I have issues with you statement that you would sell a fish to a person knowing that their tank is unsuitable. My LFS will deny people if their tank is unsuitable. To knowingly sell a fish to someone who cannot or will not take care of it is unethical. I would respect you more for not selling it. Now if you were going against commonly accepted knowledge, like for example saying a zebra danio would not be ok in a 20 long, then I would get mad and quiet possibly not come back. Its all about if you use common sense and politeness.
It's your right to disagree. I was making a point that 'commonly accepted knowledge' varies from community to community. Not every community or forum group thinks zebra danios should be in a 20L minimum, just this one happens to, and even some people disagree with the general consensus here.

And yes, I would sell 2 oscars to someone with a 55g tank. I'd explain why a 55 wouldn't be a good permanent home and how they'd need to upgrade or rehome at some point, but I'm not going to flat out refuse a sale to someone. It's not like they are telling me they are going to slam dunk the fish bag out in the parking lot, that'd be a different story. I'm not going to have customers thinking they have to reach some sort of bar with me in order to get some of my fish, with the seasoned customers knowing they just have to tell me what I want to hear to keep me happy. I refuse to go into stores with owners that act that way and I am not running a store like that.

And if your LFS denies people who have unsuitable tanks for the fish they sell, I assume they don't sell any feeders? Or do feeder fish not count when it comes to ethical treatment?
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All you can do is educate a person and hope for the best. It isn't the sellers right to deny their customer a fish. Tell them that it isn't smart or optimum, if they want the fish anyway then that is their problem.
Exactly! Jeta's talking about informing the customer just not stopping them if they choose to ignore the information. Businesses, including pet and fish stores, need to make a profit to stay afloat. Refusing to sell to customers is bad for business. You need to educate the customer to steer them in the right direction without offending them to have them never return. Some stores do it better than others.
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+1, I 100% agree with Jeta on this one.
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