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Old 06-30-2010, 02:46 PM   #31
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Well, I'm thinking that it might be true to some extent. Humans have a short term memory of around 15-30 minutes, and repetition makes it go into long term memory. 2 seconds seems a bit short, but I'm guessing that fish have both types as well.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:31 PM   #32
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After looking around that website, I came across this:
BBC NEWS | UK | England | West Yorkshire | Scientists highlight fish 'intelligence'

That pretty much goes directly against what cabezon and rusilja said.
recognizing members of your shoal does not exactly qualify a fish for MENSA.

You'll note intelligence is in quotes. remembering where to get food or mates does put the fish above the amoeba as far as intelligence. But I seriously doubt that a fish is cognizant and thinks about things. Sorry.

swimming against a output might be stimulating and "fun" and the fish might remember where to go for it, but I seriously doubt he is going, "Hey Bobby, you want to go to the water park today, I'm bored."
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I think the whole swimming against flow might be similar to swimming to the surface to fill their stomach with air or maybe something like how rodents run in wheels.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:36 PM   #34
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My loaches swim laps around the bubbles for fun lol.

My bettas come to the EXACT same spot every day for their food, and start jumping out of the water. My gourami spits water at me when he wants food. My BGK knew that he could take his food out of the meds dropper and not have to wait for it to fall down, he would also shoot from one side of the tank to the feeding side when he heard me coming. If that's not memory, I don't know what it is....
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:52 PM   #35
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I don't know, and I'm not trying to take one side over the other, but maybe the bettas always come to the same spot because that is where you started to feed them, and it has become sort of a habit (somewhat instinctual). I'd liken it to how salmon go upstream to the exact same spot to where they were born to spawn. The spawning behavior isn't conscious, so maybe it's similar to this? That said, fish DO have personality, which supports the conscious argument, so since they have personality, they must have perferences and therefore make conscious decisions.
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Old 06-30-2010, 04:56 PM   #36
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It's not where I started to feed them though. When they were first in the tanks, there were no filters, so I would just put the food wherever. Now that there are filters on all sides, I have to go to a certain place. *shrug*
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Instincts cannot be learned. Animals are born with all the instincts that they will ever know. Any behavior they exhibit after the fact (like going to the same place to eat all the time) is a learned behavior...

Your salmon example is actually one of the behaviors that scientists point to that fish have memory. Salmon remember what the water smells like where they spawned, and that is how they find their way back.
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My Clownfish sticks his nose above the water when he see's I have the food in my hand. He doesn't do this if I don't have the food in my hand.

He recognises the food container and then puts his nose above the water.
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I just found this. Takashi Amano is feeding his fish (sweet tank too btw). I think fish do have memory, because they would not know that it's feeding time like that. . . .
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Ok seriously....I need a tank like that for sure!!!

I think his angel's are deaf now.
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