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Old 12-10-2012, 11:11 AM   #1
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Ethical fishkeeping

Just curious to know what measures you take to ensure the hobby is not destroying the environment.

What improvements would you make in the hobby? Or practices you would suggest others to stop?
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:45 AM   #2
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No keeping endangered or illegal fish and no releasing anything into the wild. Thinking about installing a rainwater collection for doing my pwc but need to do a little research to make sure it's safe to use.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:06 PM   #3
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I think, if put in the right hand, keeping endangered fish (CB) is fine and should actually be encouraged if you have the knowledge to breed them. For example, the very common red tail shark is extinct in the wild. Zoos and hobbyists saved that species.
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I agree with much of the above. Captive breeding of endangered or extinct-in-wild species is a great way to keep them alive. And perhaps in the future, some natural habitats can be restored and the species reintroduced.
In addition, knowing the supply chain is important. Buy only from reputable dealers, and ensure any vulnerable species are captive bred.
But I'd like to expand on the original question. I think ethical fish keeping should be practiced on the microcosmic scale as well as the macrocosmic. While many may argue that fish tanks are there for our enjoyment, I posit that the keeper has an ethical responsibility to provide the best possible environment for these captive creatures. No life is disposable, so water quality, enrichment, appropriate tank size, and whatnot are all equally important. Our goal should be to provide a better home than nature designed.
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Old 12-10-2012, 03:12 PM   #5
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I agree with much of the above. Captive breeding of endangered or extinct-in-wild species is a great way to keep them alive. And perhaps in the future, some natural habitats can be restored and the species reintroduced.
In addition, knowing the supply chain is important. Buy only from reputable dealers, and ensure any vulnerable species are captive bred.
But I'd like to expand on the original question. I think ethical fish keeping should be practiced on the microcosmic scale as well as the macrocosmic. While many may argue that fish tanks are there for our enjoyment, I posit that the keeper has an ethical responsibility to provide the best possible environment for these captive creatures. No life is disposable, so water quality, enrichment, appropriate tank size, and whatnot are all equally important. Our goal should be to provide a better home than nature designed.
Very well said. I agree that in proper hands endangered fish can be kept and breed. But too often I hear of people just keeping them for amusement. To me having an a aquarium is a passion not just a hobby. It saddens me when I hear of endangered fish being wild caught just for the novelty. Fish are absolutely amazing animals and deserve to be cared for just as any other living being. Aquariums are so much more than just a box with fish.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:17 PM   #6
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I don't think it's unethical to have fish for amusement. As long as there is a market for rare/endangered fish, people are going to buy them. The answer to that is regulation of endangered species, we have lists here for those who collect in the wild, and we shouldn't promote poaching by patronizing those who still collect wild species that are endangered. I think this is more of a problem in the SW trade, but still.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:46 PM   #7
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I apologize to my fish when I am a day late on his weekly PWC.

(Oh I'm sorry- is that not where we are going with this?)

I would say from the Betta-keepers perspective, I will no longer buy any live Bettas from chain stores, but rather support a local breeder or lfs that has a high standard of care for breeding stock and offspring. The 1/100 odds of petsmart/walmart/petco fish is deplorable.
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Jetajockey, I think perhaps you misunderstood. I wasn't saying its unethical to keep them for amusement, simply that the keeping as well as collecting must be ethical. My fish amuse me, and that is why I keep the. In such a visible location. But they are captive bred and/or very common species and I give them the best I can. They even eat better than I do. Lol
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Mac you mean "novelty" in the sense of carnival-prizes and temporary type pets people give kids for fun, not for keeps if you will.
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Jetajockey, I think perhaps you misunderstood. I wasn't saying its unethical to keep them for amusement, simply that the keeping as well as collecting must be ethical. My fish amuse me, and that is why I keep the. In such a visible location. But they are captive bred and/or very common species and I give them the best I can. They even eat better than I do. Lol
That's fair, lol.

I don't think we can replicate or exceed nature with some of the fish we keep. For example, a 55g/75g is recommended for an oscar by almost everyone. So we are saying it's fine to keep a 1ft long fish in a 4ft long container for it's entire life, doesn't sound so ethical when it's put in that perspective does it?

My position at the end of the day is 'They are fish'.
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