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Old 03-20-2015, 09:27 AM   #121
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You only have to type 'Betta tank' into Amazon or ebay to see how unethical and down right irresponsible people (and manufacturers) can be. I'm talking about one litre capacity monstrosities that hang on the wall or tiny 3 litre 'tanks' that double up as a handy alarm clock. Makes me so angry.


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Old 03-20-2015, 11:32 AM   #122
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Has anyone else seen the show "Tanked," where they build awesome custom made aquariums? In one episode they made an aquarium pinball machine! Think of the poor fish when someone plays that!
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Old 03-20-2015, 11:37 AM   #123
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Has anyone else seen the show "Tanked," where they build awesome custom made aquariums? In one episode they made an aquarium pinball machine! Think of the poor fish when someone plays that!

I think it would stress them. If you drop something heavy on my floor my fish will "jump". I also heard somewhere that because sound travels better through water, loud noises can stress them as well.


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Old 03-20-2015, 12:11 PM   #124
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I think it would stress them, but not by much. How many people listen to music or watch tv that have fish tanks nearby?

The jumping of a fish is actually more of a reflex than the fish actually getting scared. There is a snake that anticipates where the fish will jump to because of that reflex when startled and catches the fish based on that.
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I think it would stress them, but not by much. How many people listen to music or watch tv that have fish tanks nearby?

The jumping of a fish is actually more of a reflex than the fish actually getting scared. There is a snake that anticipates where the fish will jump to because of that reflex when startled and catches the fish based on that.

I stopped playing my music/TV so loud solely not to stress them because of how well they can hear it


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Use of antibiotics - good or bad?

You can see in the link below that antibiotics have been used to also promote animal growth which to me seems a complete waste.

I did come across another link which had the FDA monitoring this more closely now. Antibiotics which are important in fighting infections for people in hospitals are on restricted use lists.


http://www.udel.edu/chem/C465/senior...d/present.html

In the fish tank well idk. Is it worthwhile trying to treat a guppy which may die anyway and has a short life. Should no antibiotics be used at all (which would just about sum up the Australian govt position). Or is a fish tank and fish infections so far removed from wild life / chance of catching anything that it isn't a problem? Thoughts?
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Yes, that is a MP3 player aquarium.

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Use of antibiotics - good or bad?

You can see in the link below that antibiotics have been used to also promote animal growth which to me seems a complete waste.

I did come across another link which had the FDA monitoring this more closely now. Antibiotics which are important in fighting infections for people in hospitals are on restricted use lists.


Effects of Antibiotics on Animal Feed - Presentation

In the fish tank well idk. Is it worthwhile trying to treat a guppy which may die anyway and has a short life. Should no antibiotics be used at all (which would just about sum up the Australian govt position). Or is a fish tank and fish infections so far removed from wild life / chance of catching anything that it isn't a problem? Thoughts?
Imho, everything within our power should be used to treat our fish, short life span or not. Would you refuse to give a sick dog or cat proper treatment?

We take their lives in our hands and it's our responsibility to keep them healthy.
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Yes, that is a MP3 player aquarium.







Imho, everything within our power should be used to treat our fish, short life span or not. Would you refuse to give a sick dog or cat proper treatment?



We take their lives in our hands and it's our responsibility to keep them healthy.

Leave it to API to dream up a piece of crap like that.


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Imho, everything within our power should be used to treat our fish, short life span or not. Would you refuse to give a sick dog or cat proper treatment?



We take their lives in our hands and it's our responsibility to keep them healthy.

Yes, of course that happens. Think about when the dog or cat gets old and the vet suggests say heart tablets and a few others that are a significant cost each week. There's a point where we say at the end of the day, this is enough - I'm not going to spend any more. And that's not much fun that decision to be honest (along with putting pets down which is somewhat different to livestock).

Closer to the fish tank, a dead fish killed from an infection could be taken to an aquatic vet, a culture taken and meds (likely quite specialised) bought for other still living infected fish. How many of us would do this for say a guppy I wonder? A large, long life fish I would consider getting med injections for it from the vet. For a guppy that is never going to happen.

However that's all as an aside. My problem is that if a med can be used in a hospital then I'm not so sure it should be used on animals, unless there is no risk of cross-bacterial infection. This is getting into the realms of super-bugs in hospitals that need strong antibiotics as I understand.

If the choice is saving a pet now or perhaps saving your child in hospital later on so to speak (eg as antibiotics haven't been rendered ineffective through indiscriminate use).

Of course this is all pretty dark and morbid, I would think solving if cross-bacterial infection is a problem would be the first issue (i.e. do any of the meds we use run the risk of creating super bugs in a hospital?).

My suspicion is that it is going to be aquaculture farms, etc that would cause more of a problem (if it is)?? Thoughts?
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Use of antibiotics - good or bad?

You can see in the link below that antibiotics have been used to also promote animal growth which to me seems a complete waste.

I did come across another link which had the FDA monitoring this more closely now. Antibiotics which are important in fighting infections for people in hospitals are on restricted use lists.


Effects of Antibiotics on Animal Feed - Presentation

In the fish tank well idk. Is it worthwhile trying to treat a guppy which may die anyway and has a short life. Should no antibiotics be used at all (which would just about sum up the Australian govt position). Or is a fish tank and fish infections so far removed from wild life / chance of catching anything that it isn't a problem? Thoughts?
As with any medication, over use or broad indiscriminate use can lead to resistant strains of the diseases these antibiotics were meant to treat. It's what is happening in the meat, poultry and fish industries in the U.S. People are being exposed to antibiotics through the milk they drink, the beef and chicken they eat as well as some farm raised fish which is making it harder to cure humans of "simple" disease that, in the old days, a single shot of pennicilin would have cured. The issue with fish and fish tanks is that it is through these that the resistant strains are also being created and infecting people. So should antibiotics be so readily available to the average person just because he/she has a fish tank? HOWEVER, I've saved a number of fish using antibotics so I use them when called for but I use them only when called for and not in a " just in case" scenario. Should I have to suffer the loss of a fish pet because of someone else's irresponsible use of medications? I am very disappointed at what medications I can no longer get. Some of which I know were "miracle" drugs as far as I was concerned. But I understand whats going on. It just sucks!!! But this is why keeping a healthy tank is more important than ever because the "cure" for most problems is prevention. A healthy tank, properly stocked and maintained, will help prevent many diseases in the long run thus eliminating the need for medications.

Sorry, I think I went off tangent. lol I hope I made a good point.
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