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Old 02-26-2015, 09:43 PM   #21
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How about does the fish store have a responsibility to sell you the right fish or is it up to the buyer? I guess I'm thinking of obvious stuff like buying a 5 gal tank with a goldfish or oscar.
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How about does the fish store have a responsibility to sell you the right fish or is it up to the buyer? I guess I'm thinking of obvious stuff like buying a 5 gal tank with a goldfish or oscar.

This right here is a source of many fish deaths IMO. Kid sees beautiful Oscar and gets a 10 gallon tank, parents don't know any better and associate wants to make money, not long after you got a dead Oscar.

I go to my LFS often and I see kids all the time wanting cichlids, Bala Sharks, and other big fish for their little tanks. Some associates care but a lot of times the manager will step in and let the kid have it.

I am willing to bet a majority of fish deaths happen this way.

Another thing is not cycling the tank. I killed 4 goldfish, a gourami, 2 Angels, 2 pictus cats and terrified some tetras before I knew "cycling" existed. It seems to be quite a common thing and we see tons of threads on here about cloudy water and fish deaths that usually results in an uncycled tank.

Outside of disease I would say that is the 2 biggest sources for fish deaths. And it is mainly due to stores selling fish improperly and lack of research on fish keeping.

Information needs to get out about cycling and ethical fish keeping so it can steer away people who realize that this hobby requires lots of work and attention. We would have many less fish deaths if more information on fish care was spread. Like for every fish purchase you get a small packet that explains cycling and it's importance for the health of your fish. There's an idea.

Sorry that's my rant I just hate to see parents buying Bala Sharks for kids because the box of their 30 gallon tank has a picture of 4 Bala's on it.
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I really agree on a small info brochure. And not something from a company either.

'You should measure ph - then use our products to fix....' - that really annoys me when sales is trying to sell stuff under the guise of being helpful.
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Luckily my petsmart told me that I had to cycle my tank, and they also told me what could go in my tank at that time (10 gallon) I only got 3 male guppies. But they told me that fish-in cycling was much easier. But after 3 dead guppies, my tank became cycled. They didn't tell us that we had to do 30-50% pwcs everyday while cycling.


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And I prefer the ice slushy as the fish goes into shock so quick, that it doesn't even feel the pain, but only if you do it to where the water is only starting to freeze


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(They still market 17 litre tanks for goldfish!)

D, I agree with the marketing pitch! That's why so many people have more chemical volume than water volume! Most of those "things" (I should say products?) are really not needed by the majority who purchase them.

I also agree with the cool GUY! Even I have stepped in to avoid a poorly placed fish, gibbiceps in a biorb! No madam, you really don't want that fish! Now about the manager, I think it's obnoxious that when being told no, some people step over the heads of the sales person, "I demand to see the manager"

That's why lots of shops (except dedicated fish stores) lack skilled staff, they are constantly being undermined by said customer type. So why am I here? They move on. . .

Then we are left with people who clearly lack the knowledge (now I realise some of these individuals are beginners who do care, we all started here!) some of them however, really do not care about fish, nor do they wish to care!
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Luckily my petsmart told me that I had to cycle my tank, and they also told me what could go in my tank at that time (10 gallon) I only got 3 male guppies. But they told me that fish-in cycling was much easier. But after 3 dead guppies, my tank became cycled. They didn't tell us that we had to do 30-50% pwcs everyday while cycling.


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"Please sir/madam, bring a separate sample of water and the fish carcass, we will do a water water test free of charge, hmmm, your ammonia is quite high, that's the reason your fish died, sorry we can't replace these for free under our policy"

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Prime example!
"Please sir/madam, bring a separate sample of water and the fish carcass, we will do a water water test free of charge, hmmm, your ammonia is quite high, that's the reason your fish died, sorry we can't replace these for free under our policy"

"Here, would you like yo buy these fish today?"
Luckily the employee that sold me the fish told me that if they died during the cycling that he would just give me a replacement.


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