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Old 03-20-2014, 12:20 AM   #1
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Experiment: Extreme cycle

Anyone is welcome to comment on this thread, but it's not really intended to garner any specific discussion or be interesting to a large number of people. I am simply logging my cycle publicly in case anyone takes an interest.

I have a brand new tank and filter to cycle and rather than seed my filter I'm opting to run a fishless cycle with some unusual goals. I have a lot of tests and plan to run them at minimum every other day with a plan to graph my results.

I'm going to post my daily notes here along with some observations and discussion.

Tank is a 20g Long with an Eheim 2213 canister. Currently there is no substrate or decorations.

Starting Day 3/18 late at night (technically 3/19 1:00AM)

Tank, filter and media washed in tap water
20-21 gallons water
Dechlor with Prime at 150% dosage (3mL)
pH 7.0 (from tap, no aging)
Temp 85 degrees

Initial test results:
24 TDS
PO3 0 (phosphates)
KH 2
GH between 0-1

After initial tests I added:

Added 1/8 tsp KH2PO4 (level)
ľ tsp baking soda (level)
12ml 10% ammonia (15-16ppm)

Notes:
I wanted to do the phosphate and baking soda additions by weight but I couldn't find my super scale So I settled for very careful leveled measurements so that I can weigh the amounts later when I find my scale.

My water treatment facility must boost the pH with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) because there is some kH from the tap but no gH (so no calcium or magnesium)

I deliberately dosed it straight to a CRAZY level of ammonia. This was entirely deliberate. Will it stall?? Let's find out...
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Old 03-20-2014, 12:24 AM   #2
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3/19 7:20PM

pH 8.5
Temp 85
TDS 87
P03 8
kH 8
gH 0-1
Nh3/4 16ppm

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Tested ammonia ppm via a dilution solution. I will be able to log exact ammonia/nitrites with this method.
pH I was guessing at 8.5 as it was a color I have never seen - a dark fuschia pink - that didn't really match any colors on the card.
Lights are out over the tank, as I don't want any algae to go with this phosphorus.
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pH 8.5
Temp 85
TDS 87
P03 8
kH 8
gH 0-1
Nh3/4 16ppm

Notes:
Tested ammonia ppm via a dilution solution. I will be able to log exact ammonia/nitrites with this method.
pH I was guessing at 8.5 as it was a color I have never seen - a dark fuschia pink - that didn't really match any colors on the card.
Lights are out over the tank, as I don't want any algae to go with this phosphorus.

Will you be dosing more ammonia?
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No, I think not. Do you think I should? I think I will just keep watch on the levels and decide later.
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No I would leave it. See if it runs through.
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Yeah I was kind of aiming for "this should be enough forever" although my number was somewhat arbitrary. I was just aiming for "big"

Obviously I am *hoping* for a no-stall cycle that I can use in my favor when defending against the ammonia/nitrites stall claims
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Yeh we need that ammunition. I have never believed they stall. They just take longer if continually dosing ammonia of such a big proportion. It makes it seem like it has stalled.

I like to think if it as throwing 4 zebras to a lion cub it's not going to be the quickest of starts.

Throw half a baby zebra to a lion cub it will eat it and grow bigger and the next zebra can be bigger. Lol going off on one now.
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Took numbers again for 3/20, same as 3/19, which is really as expected. Nothing would be happening just yet. I think rather than waste test reagents I will test again on 3/22.
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Good idea
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3/21 around 1PM I noticed that the tank is very hazy. This seems rather early, and a good sign!
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