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Old 06-19-2011, 09:54 AM   #11
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So you did not understand what i said but no problem its hard for me to be precise in english, and just to make sure: i did not say that torturing fish is a bad habit i said that we all have habit who has a bad side we dont see or understand.
People who use betta at wedding or things like that dont even understand what there doing, i dont accept here, i explain why its a small part of bad action human do.
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Old 06-19-2011, 10:39 AM   #12
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Humans naturally affect animals,..we see it all the time in the destruction of habitats in order for man to have more room, build things or make life easier.

Maybe the idea here is that the people inthe hobby who sell fish, we know there are much stricter regualtions on animlas likes dogs and cats, are the ones that need to pass on the information to any potential buyer who is new to fish...even those carnival types need to explain. MAybe if we could regulate the information going out, to a certain extent, we wouldn't have instances like the carnival "person" or the swim team "chase down a fish" day or the wedding..."but they are so colorful" types. It may not come down to actually talking aobut it since people who have the knowledge arne't going to put up with a long lecture everytime they buy a fish, but pamphlets like you get with prescriptions or other items.

We know fish stores, the less ethical ones anyway, will sell as much as they can and forget the health of the animal. Those shops need to be shut down or regulated in some manner...and they aren't regulated at the moment.
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Old 06-19-2011, 11:47 AM   #13
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I think a lot of the thing with fish is people being ignorant rather than intentionally cruel. What I mean to say is that it is fairly obvious to any sane person that kicking a dog is cruel but how many of us knew about suitable water chemistry for fish before we started/intended to start keeping them? I know I didn't for sure.
Yeah, that's very true. Most people only know that fish need to be in water, but there's a whole other world to proper fish care. But still, they must know that putting goldfish in a swimming pool and leaving them there to die is bad -_-
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:55 PM   #14
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I don't mean to play devil's advocate, but unless you're vegetarian or eat only free range food, many animals are put through the same mistreatment that many fish suffer through.

I agree that all people should be much more informed, but that's not really an achievable goal when there are chain stores with untrained employees. The best we can do is inform those that we can and give our own fish the best possible lives because in all honesty, they're the lucky ones.
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:06 PM   #15
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Fair point, well presented
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Old 06-19-2011, 03:40 PM   #16
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I don't mean to play devil's advocate, but unless you're vegetarian or eat only free range food, many animals are put through the same mistreatment that many fish suffer through.
I would recommend watching a movie called Food Inc, it's on Netflix instant que. That movie will make you think more on where your food comes from. It's pretty messed up the way people treat animals that are only considered food.
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Sometimes I really wish AA didn't have expectations when it comes to language usage, because I'd really be "colorful" on a subject like this one. ^^
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I think a lot of the thing with fish is people being ignorant rather than intentionally cruel. What I mean to say is that it is fairly obvious to any sane person that kicking a dog is cruel but how many of us knew about suitable water chemistry for fish before we started/intended to start keeping them? I know I didn't for sure.
That is true, Ickle, I didn't know anything about water conditioning, cycling tanks, or even proper tank sizes when I first started too, but what about, like some have said, about using goldfish as prizes? Even if the people who "win" them don't know anything about keeping fish, the people who are providing the "prizes" really should know better. It is a horrible, terrible thing. Fish are not decorations, not prizes, not inanimate objects! I have an online subscription to Practical FIshkeepers and they have good articles in there on this. One was a very long article about how they are trying to change the laws (this is in the UK) about using fish as prizes and what they are trying to do about it. There was also an article about China, where they are using baby turtles and goldfish in KEYRINGS of all things. Just cute little things, aren't they? there isn't even any way to feed them! Not that you could keep them in such a tiny thing anyway, but its just horribly cruel.

Yep, as someone already said, if they die, so what? Just get a new one. I mean most fish, cost what $5 or less? No big deal. The mistreatment of bettas and goldfish get me riled because for some reason they are the fish that are abused and mistreated the most. I know that some of it IS ignorance and long perpetuated myths: Goldfish can live in bowls, bettas live in mud puddles, etc. BUt as all of us have said numerous times - DO YOUR RESEARCH! Its not that hard now that there is internet. Oooohh, don't get me started!
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That is true, Ickle, but what about, like some have said, about using goldfish as prizes? Even if the people who "win" them don't know anything about keeping fish, the people who are providing the "prizes" really should know better. It is a horrible, terrible thing. Fish are not decorations, not prizes, not inanimate objects! I have an online subscription to Practical FIshkeepers and they have good articles in there on this. One was a very long article about how they are trying to change the laws (this is in the UK) about using fish as prizes and what they are trying to do about it. There was also an article about China, where they are using baby turtles and goldfish in KEYRINGS of all things. Just cute little things, aren't they? there isn't even any way to feed them! Not that you could keep them in such a tiny thing anyway, but its just horribly cruel.

Yep, as someone already said, if they die, so what? Just get a new one. I mean most fish, cost what $5 or less? No big deal. The mistreatment of bettas and goldfish get me riled because for some reason they are the fish that are abused and mistreated the most. I know that some of it IS ignorance and long perpetuated myths: Goldfish can live in bowls, bettas live in mud puddles, etc. BUt as all of us have said numerous times - DO YOUR RESEARCH! Its not that hard now that there is internet. Oooohh, don't get me started!
Keyrings?! Get out of here. Any sane person can see that's not right. the turtles wouldn't even be able to breathe! :'( that's horrible!!!
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Alright... These people are stupid. This is just stupid. This is crap.
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