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Old 09-13-2005, 03:54 PM   #11
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Affirmative action applies to gifted school programs as well as companies? Now that's simply retarded. Give the spot/job to the most qualified candidate; period, end.

Please be careful. That borders on pretty unfriendly.
Duly noted, although I don't see how the ideal candidate getting the job is unfriendly, so much as maybe a little blunt... perhaps it was word choice - forgive me, this is a sore spot with me.

imo, though, if someone wants a better chance at a job, they should improve themselves as a candidate.
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Old 09-13-2005, 04:35 PM   #13
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Talloulou, This is kind of what I was expecting from the "gifted" program. So many of them are exactly like what you describe. I had some bad experiences with a particular kid who was considered "gifted" but could NOT read at 3rd grade.

I am not kidding. I agree that there are different kinds of "gifted" and every child is gifted in some way, but....grrrrr. I will not put my children in public schools for so many reasons, teaching for 10 years was enough for me to know that it is not a place I want my kids.

Anyway, did you ask the teacher what she was going to actually DO for your child so that he is not bored and does not waste a year? Even moving up a year will not solve that problem as many second graders will still be below his level and if the expectations at 1st grade are truly as low as you have posted before the ones in second grade probably aren't much better. If it were me, I wouldn't fight to have my kid in the gifted program. My experience with them is that they aren't worth much anyway, not at elem levels. It sounds to me like you are more than capable and willing to provide those experiences at home. Anyway, just my 2cents. Sorry you are having to deal with this. I hope your son is able to find a good place to learn this year.
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Having a "gifted" child myself, let me just say that this does sound political, but most likely he will get everything he needs in the regular class. His teacher ought to have the ability to provide a little extra work if he is bored, and in the end I don't believe it is going to have a major impact one way or the other. When he gets into middle school and high school, however, programs need to be tailored to his ability and it makes more of a difference, as these are the years where you begin to form an idea of a career path.

I am not a fan of skipping grades, as the social and physical development issues can be problematic, especially in the upper grades (particularly for boys) when all of your classmates have suddenly grown a foot taller, gotten muscles and hair on their faces, are getting their driver's licenses, and you are lagging behind.

I do not want to minimize your situation at all, and having been there I know how frustrating it is, but I just wanted to offer a little reassurance that (now in hindsight for me) it will definitely work itself out to his benefit. He will always have the grades and performance that will ensure him a place in advanced classes later on.
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Affirmative action applies to gifted school programs as well as companies? Now that's simply retarded. Give the spot/job to the most qualified candidate; period, end.

Please be careful. That boarders on pretty unfriendly.
I've always wondered how the government hopes to successfully combat racial discrimination by engaging in it.

And as far as your kid being gifted. I wouldn't worry about what "they" say. Who cares? Is it an ego thing for you? Or does he have a problem with it? He'll be the smartest kid at the "normal" school. He might go much farther that way because most of his teachers (the observant, good ones) will love to teach him and he may make several good contacts that way. Also, maybe with the recommendation of several teachers, he may end up getting into the advanced program anyways.

No offense intended, but I was reading 7th grade level and doing algebra when I was in 2nd grade. Does that make me gifted? I surely don't think so. In my opinion, gifted is Stephen Hawkins. Gifted is Beethoven. Gifted is Edison. Gifted is not how far advanced you are at a young age, it's how passionate you are about advancing something when you grow up.
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Anyway, did you ask the teacher what she was going to actually DO for your child so that he is not bored and does not waste a year?
Yes, the teacher is great. I was worried about her because she is a substitute but she seems very concerned about my son and I know she will do her best.

She said he finishes his work very fast and she has him help out other children. He seems to like being a helper and she said that at this age level kids love to be helped by their peers. She also said she will find ways to give him more creative work, art projects and science projects. She is hesitant to give him harder work because she will not have the time to teach him higher grade level work and she seems to think the problem will only get worse if he pushes ahead further.

She also said he can visit the library daily and the librarian will do projects with him as well. They are in the process of deciding whether or not to have him go to other classes for reading. This is what they normally do with kids who read well. So he may go to second grade for reading but she said he will still be ahead there and they wouldn't want him to go to third or fourth grade for reading because the kids at that age may give him a hard time and dislike his presence.

I would really prefer not to skip him a grade because socially he does very well with his peers. And he enjoys being on top so to speak. And while he is ahead school work wise, emotionally he is very much a six year old boy!

They also talked to me about ways to enrich him at home and suggested we develop hobbies to keep him stimulated. My son loves to do math books and we buy the big workbooks they sell for various grade levels and teach him how to do stuff at home. But the teacher said it would be better at this point if we got him interested in mastering other stuff. She suggested learning a musical instrument and I think that's a great idea. We are also thinking about letting him take karate.

All in all I think everything will work itself out. I just outraged about the whole "gifted" crap.
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You are right to be upset about it. The system spends a lot of time labeling kids and it is a waste of time, for the most part. It sounds like you are handling things just right. A musical instrument is an excellent enrichment tool, and is something he will benefit from for many years to come.
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Oh I almost forgot they are also starting an after school program on Tues and Thurs sponsered by a company called Mad Science. It's open to kids of all grade levels and they will do projects revolving around heat, magnets, rockets, optical illusions, slime, sonic sounds, and more. So I know he will love that as well. So as mad as I am over that goofball psychiatrist I do feel that my son will learn and have fun at his new school.
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personally i dont think, fme, that an accelerated thingy doesnt really do much until 5-8th grades? if you can afford it or something, (this doesnt apply till high school [but some schools will let them go a grade ahead) if you do summer school? my bro. he did some classes at northwestern, and he was able to skip them in high school.
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Ugh, how irritating! But at least the school is willing to work with you on stuff like library visits and projects, and seems to realize what a smart kid you have. I didn't have this experience in the 2nd grade- I also read at a 7th grade level and my mom had to fight the school to get them to allow me to check out books with chapters! The other kids literally weren't allowed to check out anything other than little kid picture books.

But yes, you're right to be angry, I know I would be.
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