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Old 03-02-2005, 10:15 PM   #11
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Republican-controlled government is a wonderful thing. A new law was just passed that imposes a $500,000 fine for anyone using the "F" word on public radio



what about all the crap and foul language that is spewed from car speakers at about a million decibals that some people try to pass off as music? I guess I am just one of those stodgy old americans that get offended, why aren't there laws for that?
agree with you completely Hara. As for the initial post, its about time someone puts the breaks on idiots like Stern, always wanting to see just how far they can push. Well, I guess they found out. I'm all for free speach, but a line need to be drawn somewhere.
Stern and others like him can only blames themselves, they are the reason for the crackdown.
Don't bother tryng to draw me in further, I have too much to do right now to be keeping up with this thread.
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Old 03-03-2005, 01:48 AM   #12
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agree with you completely Hara. As for the initial post, its about time someone puts the breaks on idiots like Stern, always wanting to see just how far they can push. Well, I guess they found out. I'm all for free speach, but a line need to be drawn somewhere.
Stern and others like him can only blames themselves, they are the reason for the crackdown.
Don't bother tryng to draw me in further, I have too much to do right now to be keeping up with this thread.

Well, the thing is who decides where the line is? There are no standards in place and the FCC does not allow the fines to be taken to court and challenged. I still would like to know why an "idiot like stern" should be fined for saying the same thing as Oprah, but she doesn't because she is more main stream or popular? If you are gonna fine people it cant be selective it has to be across the board.

As far as the Saving Private Ryan thing, that's just absurd. The movie ran before unedited on network TV and there were no fines and it was no big deal. Now networks have to worry that what was okay 2 years ago is suddenly going to cost them half a million. And when asked if it was okay to air the movie unedited, then FCC commissioner Powell sad he didn't know, they had to wait and see. Wait and see for what? To see if you offend 3 people out of millions that will watch and dictate your fines off of that?

Now there is a congressman (from Ohio maybe?) that wants to but regulations on cable and satellite. Now they want to tell me what I am allowed to hear or see even when I pay for it?

If you listen real close you might be able to hear the founding fathers rolling over in there graves
Censorship is more offensive then what they are trying to censor here.
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I want to know why on national tv you can say "son of a b****" but the word "s***" is bleeped out every time? I have watched plenty of movies that would be just as good without all the "language violations". I've never heard Howard Stern so I'll not coment on his style. I don't care what the FCC does, If I don't like a radio station because of content, I'll change it . It's that simple.
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what about all the crap and foul language that is spewed from car speakers at about a million decibals that some people try to pass off as music? I guess I am just one of those stodgy old americans that get offended, why aren't there laws for that?

This does however bother me, you should not be able to "force" me to listen to your music (and I use the term loosley ", just as I should not be able to force you to listen to mine. These people don't know it but most will be deaf by the time they are 30 8O due to noise damage. The problem with that is then they will play it even louder, to get the same effect as when they could hear it. 8O
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Why do they bleep out the "S" word on USA and allow the word G-DA**? To me that is the most repulsive curse word that can be said. I can handle just about anything, but if I hear anyone say GD around me, they are going to hear about it.
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I agree, however I was just using the other as an example. I've got movies that I won't even watch cause of the GD word, but I won't sell them cause that's one less copy floating around for someone else to watch.
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Why do they bleep out the "S" word on USA and allow the word G-DA**? To me that is the most repulsive curse word that can be said. I can handle just about anything, but if I hear anyone say GD around me, they are going to hear about it.
See, who decides whats offensive and what gives them the right? I'm not offended by the "S word" or by using the lord's name in vein.

What's more offensive...some one saying the"S" word or some one from the Klan going on a talk show and spouting there garbage for an hour? But, only one will get you a 500,000 dollar fine.
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The "s-word" is actually listed as one of the few words that cannot be said on air. I'd list them all, but you can pretty much figure it out. G-D is not on that list and it is up to the discretion of the station. You'll see some stations that will allow it, but most don't unless it is during "safe harbor hours" which are between 10PM and 6AM (okay, I may be an hour off, my station doesn't allow for safe harbor hours because of the small knit community we live in and everything here has to be g-rated...which is annoying because our main target audience is the university.) Basically safe harbor hours allow station to be a little more relaxed. Radio stations are also trying to push the line with the allowence of curse words in music, saying it is part of the musicians work and taking it out limits free speech. However, they really are just trying to be competitive with Satellite. (same thing with regular TV, and basic cable... they have to compete with all the HBO, STARZ, etc...)

As for Howard Stern, if you have ever really listened to him, you will see he is in NO WAY like Oprah Winfrey and the reasons for the fines the FCC slaps on him is for his language and the content his show normally airs (which almost always includes trying to get a stripper to take off clothes...and that isn't the worst part). What exactly was he talking about that apparently Oprah was to? Honestly, I highly doubt he was using the same care because he blatenly disregards the rules, it is his "thing to do."

Right now the FCC is becoming stricter because stations, both radio and TV, have stopped selfregulating. The initial guidelines were unclear in the past (and still are) because that was how the stations wanted it. You can compare it to a curious child. Stations have been testing their boundries and ignoring their promise to self regulate and now the FCC is reacting. Do I like it? No. But is it only the FCC's fault? No.
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" but I won't sell them cause that's one less copy floating around for someone else to watch."

8O I know it is your own personal belief, and I'm not going to argue that you are wrong ...to a point. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you have the right to prevent someone else from liking it. Walmart is a perfect example. They will edit or refuse to carry music. If the musician doesn't want to edit their work, Walmart refuses to sell. Walmart takes up nearly 80% of the music market and through their monopoly, they squash out any one they don't want. I'm not just talking about curse words, but also musicians who talk about politics and other real-life situations. This is stuff that could be really inspiring to listen to, but because Walmart doesn't like it, it isn't sold or it is severely edited.

Another true life story. My Journalism teacher became a reporter because when she was growing up, she was always in the public library (small town with nothing to do). She noticed that a lot of pages were neatly cut out or just single words or paragraphs had been removed. She found out that the librarian was going through all the books with an exacto knife and cutting out what she thought shouldn't be in there! I'm not talking about pornography but stuff like National Geographic and actual scientific stuff. It is crazy.

I know you not selling a movie doesn't have the exact same effect, but it really does parallel those examples.
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As for Howard Stern, if you have ever really listened to him, you will see he is in NO WAY like Oprah Winfrey and the reasons for the fines the FCC slaps on him is for his language and the content his show normally airs (which almost always includes trying to get a stripper to take off clothes...and that isn't the worst part). What exactly was he talking about that apparently Oprah was to? Honestly, I highly doubt he was using the same care because he blatantly disregards the rules, it is his "thing to do."
I do listen to Howard Stern regularly (right now as a matter of fact). Is he like Oprah, no. Is the conversation he had that he was fined by the FCC most recently identical to the one on Oprah's show, yes. What does it matter what the content of the show is on a day to day basis...if they say the same thing even that one time and one gets fined they both should be. That would be the only fair thing to do. If it's wrong for him to say something it's just as wrong for her.

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To me that safe hour thing is a sham. Case in point would be that Love Line show...seems like almost every caller on the show is underage. They can talk about "risque" topics because of the time slot, but the show is geared to and listen to by the people the safe hour time is supposed to be "protecting".
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Walmart is a perfect example. They will edit or refuse to carry music. If the musician doesn't want to edit their work, Walmart refuses to sell. Walmart takes up nearly 80% of the music market and through their monopoly, they squash out any one they don't want. I'm not just talking about curse words, but also musicians who talk about politics and other real-life situations. This is stuff that could be really inspiring to listen to, but because Walmart doesn't like it, it isn't sold or it is severely edited.

That's why I will pay more to buy a CD some where else then to buy one at Wal-Mart. I wish I had the conviction to not buy anything at all from them, but it's a start.
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