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Old 03-03-2005, 11:44 AM   #31
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My daughter was one of the children that saw the whole nipple thing. It was the look on HER face that made me look at the tv, just in time to see Janet covering up. I was a bit unhappy that she saw it, but I was not one of the people screaming about how it was so awful. I did not like it, and I wish she had not seen it. I talked to her about it, and she seemed OK.
The US is (as far as I know) the only country that has made the human body such a dirty OBJECT

While I DO NOT want my child seeing such things, I still do not feel that such censorship is the answer. We have more then one channel. We have such things as TEVO, and child locks on the TVs, so they can only watch a few stations. People do not use them because its a lot of work to watch what you want. But IMHO its also a lot of work to raise a child. For the people that say they do not have the time to watch EVERYTHING their kids want to watch... either get your priorities straight, or stop letting the kids watch tv by themselves. I do not let my child was Fox Family by herself, and its a family station! One persons idea of appropriate is totaly different from the others.

Monitor what your kids watch, not only the one tv show... but the whole NETWORK. Block the networks that have questionable content... and give them a safe list. If the TV is not equipped with a channel lock... You can get one at Radio Shack. I had one lady tell me they were too much... (Mine was $25.00) I am sorry... but 25 dollars is a small price to pay for peace of mind...

As far as language... I have told my children that an intelligent person can find a superior word to express how they feel without cussing.

I really hope I did not stray off topic too much, I am sorry if I did. I thought about not chiming into this topic, but just could not resist.

Just my humble opinion...(again)... Billsgate, I am assuming you grew up in Belgium, watching TV no doubt. As far as I can tell by your posts, you seem to be a well adjusted person. I do not know what you do in your free time... but I doubt that you are mentally scarred from the programing on your TV or radio...

I am now on a rant... and its a big one... I am sorry...
I am going to go do some laundry now
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Old 03-03-2005, 11:45 AM   #32
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yeh, I did the google search except everything I found was from biased groups. I was looking for the actual transcripts, not a summary, because those can not be skewed one way or the other. I did a quick search on the FCC site as well, but didn't have time to go in detail because I had a class (which was cancelled when I got there...grrr...) to get to.

I did catch that Oprah didn't actually get away so easily as has been stated. Her fine is actually pending, which means there was something different between the two and it is being looked at again.

Billsgate, I stayed in Spain for a little over a month and I see exactly where you are coming from. Europe shows nudity, but it is nothing distasteful. I believe there was an informative ad on breastcancer and there was definitly a nude breast in it. But, the problem with the Janet Jackson slip wasn't that it was a little "peek-a-boo" slip, but very distasteful especially for the even because the superbowl is considered a "family event." What really happened was that Justin Timberlake "ripped" off a piece of the wardrobe (they say it was an accident ) on Janet Jackson's breast. 1. it can be viewed as derogatory toward women 2. the context of the song lyrics and the manner in which is was done was definitly not in accordence to what should be on a "family event."

*edit* Melody, good post. I really like that you tell your children that there are more intelligent ways of expressing themselves.
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Old 03-03-2005, 11:50 AM   #33
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Great post deli_conker
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Old 03-03-2005, 11:50 AM   #34
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I'm not a U.S. resident, but I do have an opinion on this.
See....freedom is great, right?

We do not have censorship like that here in Belgium, our media is very free to say what it want's, we just don't allow extremist groups in news or shows. That's all that is forbidden. We can say all the s*** and F*** on tv, without getting our a** sued. And if you do take offense to it, look away, or try to understand why people do use these words. Probably because they are angry, otherwise in a humoristic way. I don't think you should tell people not to curse.....it's a human thing....
Don't take everything so seriously.....laugh once in a while, don't add to the anger by being angry because some says curse words.

And another thing.....I'm still amazed at the fine that the tv-company got for Janet Jacksons nipple-slip. Come on, nude, what is wrong with that? Is that evil? Bad? Don't think so. And again, if you don't like it, laugh at it or look away, radically saying that it is wrong because of reasons only you understand, is just as bad in the eyes of others.

I'm glad I live in my country.....I would nearly dare to say that it is more free then U.S........don't kill me for stating that.

I'm a Libertarian, but I do have my limits. Should I be able to rent a billboard on the highway and display graphic images of hardcore pornography?

The country's moral priorities in snuffing relatively harmless actions like cursing or nudity (or second-hand smoke ) seems pretty ridiculous when compared to some of the actions mentioned in my original post. That said, I generally don't watch shows that rely on cursing or sexuality to achieve ratings. Paradoxically, cursing is an intensifier, but for me it weakens the message. I still believe if "All in the Family" reruns were played in prime time they would beat out most the trash that's on today.

I remember when "Schindler's List" was aired uncut maybe 6-7 years ago. I was particularly interested in people's reactions. I never spoke to one person who was at all moved by the scenes of graphic violence and systematic slaughter of an entire race of people - people were in awe that "boobs" were shown on TV. That tells me that this country's priorities are completely screwed.
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clown monarch, there is a difference between hardcore pornography and what Billsgate was talking about.

As for Schindler's List, I'm one american that was moved by the movie...perhaps you need to expand your "research."
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I very rarely listen to Howard Stern, and don't much care for his brand of entertainment. However, I must say that the man is a self-marketing genius. The FCC fines came out of the pockets of his employers, not his own. And the broadcasters probably just wrote them off as the cost of doing business - what did they care so long as Howard was getting good ratings. Meanwhile, Stern was going around complaining that he was being crucified by the FCC (despite the fact that the FCC fines were enhancing his bad boy image and increasing his value as a ratings-generating entertainer). Stern's recent agreement with Sirius has more to do with money than avoiding FCC persecution. Sirius offered Stern a sweet deal and he was smart enough to jump at it. Pure self-marketing genius!

Regarding offensive content on TV (and video games), I strongly believe that it is parent's RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY to police what their children watch and play. I also believe that excessive TV/video game time robs children of opportunities to experience their world, expand their interests, and develop. When I was growing up, my family didn't have cable. The TV didn't go on until AFTER dinner and AFTER my homework was done...and I even had a bedtime. Instead of watching TV I *gasp* read books, and *gasp* rode my bike. As a result of my cruel upbringing , I cannot sit through most TV programs today - I simply find them so mind-numbingly inane.
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"All democracies are doomed to end in a military state." - Machiavelli, 'The Prince'
Actually, all societies are doomed to end in a military state. It's all a cycle, though I can't remember the societal order. It goes something like:

Anarchy will eventually produce a
Despot will eventually produce an
Aristocracy will eventually produce a
Democracy will eventually produce
Socialism will eventually produce...

I don't think the order is correct, but it's something like that - eventually ending in anarchy and starting again.
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This "pending" thing for Oprah is something new to me....last word i heard on it was that it wasnt going to happen because of her popularity.
She should get fined if these are the rules they want to play by.

for people who agree with the fines and the censor ship i want to know where the line is and who should decide? The members of the FCC aren't elected they are appointed and not really held accountable for there actions (do a google search on the money they were supposed to use for computers for underprivileged children)
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clown monarch, there is a difference between hardcore pornography and what Billsgate was talking about.

As for Schindler's List, I'm one american that was moved by the movie...perhaps you need to expand your "research."
Of course there is, but the point is where you draw the line. Is my right of free speech limitless?

I'm not a research facility, I discussed the movie with people at work.
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I still believe if "All in the Family" reruns were played in prime time they would beat out most the trash that's on today.

I dont think they would air today on any network except maybe fox in prime time as a new show because of racist remarks made honestly...only reason its on at all now is because its a classic
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