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Old 03-02-2005, 12:04 PM   #1
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Republican-controlled government is a wonderful thing. A new law was just passed that imposes a $500,000 fine for anyone using the "F" word on public radio. Even if a caller says it and the station lets it slip, still a $500,000 fine. Doesn't matter what audience the show is intended for, still a $500k fine.

Now, in a country that routinely spends $200 billion of taxpayer money building a bridge in Alaska that leads to nowhere, the meaning of $500k gets lost. So let's put this in perspective. In terms of severity, dollar-wise, here's what you can do with $500k in America today:

1. As an independent accounting/auditing firm, you can conceal improprieties and obstruct justice pertaining to a major publicly-traded company - aiding in the destruction of hundreds of thousands of jobs, lives, families, and retirements.

2. Defraud government housing programs by skimming relief funds to build yourself a multi-million dollar oceanfront mansion while hundreds of your tenants live in uninhabitable conditions without plumbing or electricity.

3. As a trans-continental shipping company, you can illegally dump unknown quantities of oil and waste into the ocean - and falsify your Oil Record Book to conceal it.

4. Accidentally allow a radio-show caller's "F-bomb" to slip past screeners on "Sex Talk" at 2am.
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Old 03-02-2005, 12:44 PM   #2
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When the FCC fines a TV or radio station for indecency, where exactly does the money go? Does the FCC somehow find an equitable way to distribute the fine money to all those in the viewing/listening area who were offended? Does it fund FCC public services and the enforcement of FCC policies? Or does it just trickle its way into the pork funding trough alongside our tax dollars?

I could ask the same question of any settlements that state attorneys general secure in the name of American consumers, but that would be way off-topic.
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Old 03-02-2005, 12:56 PM   #3
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Does the FCC somehow find an equitable way to distribute the fine money to all those in the viewing/listening area who were offended?
If so, I really need to start getting more offended at things. It would be interesting to see where fine monies go.

In the dumping case #3 above, half the money went to a Portland Clean-up effort. Didn't mention the other half.
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You gotta love that you can dump nuclear waste and only get fined 60,000 but say something someone decides is offensive and you get fined 500K....how does that make any sense?

The best part if that there is no list of things you can or cannot say, it's all up to interpretation.

The last time Howard Stern received fines from the FCC, he was talking about a subject that Oprah also talked about. The conversation was the same on both shows, both using the same terms and wording around "sensitive" subject matter. The FCC decided not to go after Oprah because she is too popular and it would cause too big of a stir. This is what the FCC said. How is that right in any way, shape or form? If it's wrong for one its wrong for the other, period.
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In my opinion, the American public gets "offended" by WAY to much stuff. No matter what you do, someone is offended. In regards to Howard Stern, I can't stand the guy. He is broadcast in St. Louis and his morning show, to me, is very boring and not entertaining. BUT, I don't call the FCC and complain about him. It's called Turning The Channel. If you don't like Stern, change it! It's as simple as that. If you don't want your 6 year old to hear a woman talking about her body parts, don't listen to it while you are driving them to school. It's ridiculous! People want to take the 10 Commandments out of a court house hallway in Alabama. Why? I, myself, am an Athiest, but I don't give a care if they are posted. The money that I earn says In God We Trust. I guess those people that are complaining about the 10 Commandments don't want the money that says In God We Trust printed on it. The FCC is getting way out of hand with giving fines. It all started with the whole Janet Jackson thing and will progres to the point that the only thing that is on TV will be the Brady Bunch. The news is too violent! Now they passed a law that says that you must be 18 to buy violent games. Do you REALLY think that a 10 year old goes into Toys R Us and pays for a $60 Play Station game? Heck no! The parents do. What's the point? And now our idiot Governor (D from IL) says that Video Poker is as addictive as Crack Cocain. WTH?!
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All those points you made require some level of personal responsibility. That's no fun. Personal injury lawsuits are far more lucrative.
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the 500K isn't the final figure that will be decided on. They set it high and then decide on a much lower rate. As for radio stations letting a caller "slip", it is in the FCC guidelines that the radio station is responsible for anyone who's voice goes over air. On top of that, the majority of stations have 5-10 second delays just for that reason.

Now, the real reason why people should be getting mad is that this is no big deal for the big companies like Clear Channel and Viacom (and their smaller companies like Infinity). It will hurt smaller owners much more. Before they raised the price, the college station I work at now (WASU 90.5 ... www.wasurocks.com <---we're streaming on the internet! okay, shameless plug is done) would have been shut down just because we couldn't afford the fines. Why is this a problem? Because if smaller companies suffer or have to be shut down, the larger companies will move in on those airwaves. This, as shown through deregulation (aka the devil), severely limits radio broadcast. All the stations are like cookie cutters with different music and DJs loose their job which is given to someone a state or two away who voice tracks everything. The station then looses its localness (is that a word?) and can no longer serve its public like it should. It is up to YOU, the public, to tell the FCC what YOU want because really the airways are owned by the public and broadcasters should do what YOU want. A lot of people don't understand that though.

As for where the money goes, I have no idea. I like to think it goes into public school education, but we all know that's a lie.


*edit* one other thing this bandwagon against "indecency" is causeing is what electronic media managers are calling the "chill affect." Basically there were really no defined laws set by the FCC, but there were a bunch of guidelines that TV and radio stations were self-imposing (kind of like the movie ratings). Only recently they've started ignorning those self-imposed guidelines. In return, the FCC is cracking down because the stations have stopped self regulating. So now programming is being "chilled" because managers don't want to suffer the consequences and since guidelines aren't yet established, managers are playing it safe. A good example would be the movie "Saving Private Ryan". About 3/5 of the stations that were origonally going to air the movie decided not to because of its content. Accept, that gruesome content is exactly what war is. The FCC did not penelize any of the stations that did air the movie uncut.
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what idiot decided whats a "cus word"? i mean honestly saying crap could be a cuz word

or CorkScrew that could be a cus word. why does it have to be those words?? who decided that?
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It does come down to personal responsibility, and it's sad that people would rather blame someone else. My uncle is a heart surgeon and he did a surgery on a 90 year old man. Before the surgery the man was in a coma and he told the family that he would most likely not survive the surgery. My uncle actually didn't want to do the surgery because he knew that the man would die. The family insisted and he went ahead with it. While in recovery (he survived the surgery) he had a blood clot and he died. The family then sued my uncle and won! These lawsuits are CRAZY! I agree with President Bush on the issue of frivelous lawsuits. I'm not saying that all lawsuits are. My best friends mom was diagnosed with breast cancer and the doctor removed the wrong one. That was the time to sue, not for $15 million, but it is certanly reasonable to sue to make your body the way it was before the surgery, and then money for pain and suffering. The doctor should then be penalized by a review board and after so many wrongful acts, should lose his license. I don't see what's wrong with that scenario.

I am getting a little off topic here, just replying to the Lawsuit comment.
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Republican-controlled government is a wonderful thing. A new law was just passed that imposes a $500,000 fine for anyone using the "F" word on public radio
what about all the crap and foul language that is spewed from car speakers at about a million decibals that some people try to pass off as music? I guess I am just one of those stodgy old americans that get offended, why aren't there laws for that?
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