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Old 07-28-2013, 02:11 AM   #11
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I think bettaowner just wants those Bettas to have the best life possible. I personally wouldn't keep a Betta in bowl.
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:27 AM   #12
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Well we won the battle and my friend now understands he needs to get new tanks very soon.
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Old 07-28-2013, 02:30 AM   #13
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I think bettaowner just wants those Bettas to have the best life possible. I personally wouldn't keep a Betta in bowl.

And that's fine if you don't but don't condenm those who properly care for their Bettas in a bowl. They can and do live a long healthy life in properly maintained bowls as well.
BTW, did you happen to notice that the size of the bowl in question was never discussed? What's the difference between a 2 gal tank and a 2 gal bowl?
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My friend sent me pictures and they both look too small.
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And that's fine if you don't but don't condenm those who properly care for their Bettas in a bowl. They can and do live a long healthy life in properly maintained bowls as well.
BTW, did you happen to notice that the size of the bowl in question was never discussed? What's the difference between a 2 gal tank and a 2 gal bowl?
Ugly distorted curved walls, lol. I hate how fish look in traditional bowls. I prefer my little 1.5 gallon cube.
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Old 07-28-2013, 09:18 AM   #16
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And that's fine if you don't but don't condenm those who properly care for their Bettas in a bowl. They can and do live a long healthy life in properly maintained bowls as well.
BTW, did you happen to notice that the size of the bowl in question was never discussed? What's the difference between a 2 gal tank and a 2 gal bowl?
I wasn't condemning anyone... I was just giving some reasons why not the keep them in a bowl. I don't think there is a difference between a 2 gallon tank and a 2 gallon bowl in terms of size. Except... the tank would be easier the maintain than the bowl.
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I wasn't condemning anyone... I was just giving some reasons why not the keep them in a bowl. I don't think there is a difference between a 2 gallon tank and a 2 gallon bowl in terms of size. Except... the tank would be easier the maintain than the bowl.
Actually, the reasons people use for keeping Bettas in tanks versus Bowls is not based on facts but on opinions. But this is a long standing argument that I don't care to continue as I've been debating it for over 40 years. It's enough already. If the internet is your source of information, then you must believe that EVERYTHING you read on the internet is the truth. Here's the truth ( and it's verifiable) , it's not all true. Anybody with internet access can put anything they want on the internet without it being true. Sad, I know, but true. For example, if you look all over the internet sites about Bettas, you'll see people saying they MUST have water volumes of 2 gal, 3 gal, 5 gal, & even 10 gal minimums. This is all hogwash (I'm old, I can use that term LOL) as there is no rule or scientific data on Betta keeping that says these amounts are a MUST. There is, however, centuries of actual Betta keeping that disputes all these claims of water volume minimums and necessary use of a square or rectangular shaped water holding container (a.k.a. Tank). So who do you believe, somebody with internet access and a keyboard or somebody who is actually doing what you are saying is not good for the fish and having continual success for multiple years with multiple fish? Experience is a better leader to follow. (in most people's opinions)

Lastly, here's something else to consider: You say a tank is easier to maintain than a bowl. If you have gravel in your tank, food , detritus other junk can hide within the gravel bed thus polluting the water. If you keep the gravel clean and you are using a cycled aquarium, you are messing with the bacteria bed, which is not a good thing. If you keep a bowl with no gravel or even with gravel and you are changing the water every other day, you are not effecting the bacteria bed as there is no bed to effect. You are supplying the fish with fresh clean water before any of his waste material has begun to break down. (If you don't believe me, put a Betta in a bowl, use the same size bowl that you would a tank, and do an ammonia test on day 2. ) I'd be willing to confidently say that my Betta bowl water is cleaner than your tank water. As for easier, my Betta water changes take just a couple of minutes. I have a jug of water set up right next to the bowls so the water is the same temp as the bowls. Fish in a cup, bowl under the faucet, faucet water drained, new water poured in, fish goes back in. That whole process takes me less than a minute to do. My fish have never been sick or parasitized using this method. Still think a tank is easier to maintain or the best thing for the fish?

As I said, I'm not looking to argue. I'm trying to enlighten those wanting to keep fish. There are many ways of keeping fish healthy and happy. In the case of Bettas, I know it can be done in bowls just as well as tanks. This is fact based not opinion based. Can every fish be kept in a bowl? ABSOLUTELY not, but Bettas can. Is it easier in a bowl over a tank? Maybe. I do know it's more work in a bowl. And that's just it, I only ask that people explain what is necessary to do when keeping the fish in a bowl vs a tank instead of saying "IT MUST GO IN A TANK."
So I hope I have educated you a bit on the subject. The art of fish keeping is centuries old. If you do some research on this art, you'll find a lot of what of what you read on the internet, especially on forums such as this one, is not all correct. It's just somebody's opinion. Learn about the fish so you don't need other people's opinions.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:41 PM   #18
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Actually, the reasons people use for keeping Bettas in tanks versus Bowls is not based on facts but on opinions. But this is a long standing argument that I don't care to continue as I've been debating it for over 40 years. It's enough already. If the internet is your source of information, then you must believe that EVERYTHING you read on the internet is the truth. Here's the truth ( and it's verifiable) , it's not all true. Anybody with internet access can put anything they want on the internet without it being true. Sad, I know, but true. For example, if you look all over the internet sites about Bettas, you'll see people saying they MUST have water volumes of 2 gal, 3 gal, 5 gal, & even 10 gal minimums. This is all hogwash (I'm old, I can use that term LOL) as there is no rule or scientific data on Betta keeping that says these amounts are a MUST. There is, however, centuries of actual Betta keeping that disputes all these claims of water volume minimums and necessary use of a square or rectangular shaped water holding container (a.k.a. Tank). So who do you believe, somebody with internet access and a keyboard or somebody who is actually doing what you are saying is not good for the fish and having continual success for multiple years with multiple fish? Experience is a better leader to follow. (in most people's opinions)

Lastly, here's something else to consider: You say a tank is easier to maintain than a bowl. If you have gravel in your tank, food , detritus other junk can hide within the gravel bed thus polluting the water. If you keep the gravel clean and you are using a cycled aquarium, you are messing with the bacteria bed, which is not a good thing. If you keep a bowl with no gravel or even with gravel and you are changing the water every other day, you are not effecting the bacteria bed as there is no bed to effect. You are supplying the fish with fresh clean water before any of his waste material has begun to break down. (If you don't believe me, put a Betta in a bowl, use the same size bowl that you would a tank, and do an ammonia test on day 2. ) I'd be willing to confidently say that my Betta bowl water is cleaner than your tank water. As for easier, my Betta water changes take just a couple of minutes. I have a jug of water set up right next to the bowls so the water is the same temp as the bowls. Fish in a cup, bowl under the faucet, faucet water drained, new water poured in, fish goes back in. That whole process takes me less than a minute to do. My fish have never been sick or parasitized using this method. Still think a tank is easier to maintain or the best thing for the fish?

As I said, I'm not looking to argue. I'm trying to enlighten those wanting to keep fish. There are many ways of keeping fish healthy and happy. In the case of Bettas, I know it can be done in bowls just as well as tanks. This is fact based not opinion based. Can every fish be kept in a bowl? ABSOLUTELY not, but Bettas can. Is it easier in a bowl over a tank? Maybe. I do know it's more work in a bowl. And that's just it, I only ask that people explain what is necessary to do when keeping the fish in a bowl vs a tank instead of saying "IT MUST GO IN A TANK."
So I hope I have educated you a bit on the subject. The art of fish keeping is centuries old. If you do some research on this art, you'll find a lot of what of what you read on the internet, especially on forums such as this one, is not all correct. It's just somebody's opinion. Learn about the fish so you don't need other people's opinions.
You seem like an experienced aquarist, and I respect your opinion. I do believe that about 70% of the information on the Internet pertaining to fish is true. I use Liveaquaria and animal world as my main websites of info. I've been keeping fish for over 10 years. I've kept African Cichlids, Dwarf South American Cichlids, various types of Asian fish, and many Tetras. I believe that Tetras must have 5 or more in a group. I believe that Eheim filters are the absolute best filters out there. Etc... Hopefully I haven't gotten this thread off topic, but I think bettaowner's problem has been solved.
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Old 07-29-2013, 01:22 AM   #19
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I'm glad you helped out a few bettas today! I think the cheapest way to go would be a divided tank! at least 5gs but a 10g would be great!
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