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Old 03-06-2015, 06:00 PM   #11
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When I see how some fish are kept chain pet stores I feel like I'm just rescuing them


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Old 03-06-2015, 06:09 PM   #12
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I think fish keeping is ethical as long as you keep the fish happy and do all in your power to support them and keep them in a safe environment, but some fish are better in the wild and just don't belong in a home aquarium.


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Old 03-06-2015, 07:39 PM   #13
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At least we still have African cichlids

I know exactly how you feel though. I've been itching to do a native michigan tank for quite a while now. It would be awesome to have a bluegill tank.
But so many of the Africans are being hybridized on purpose. Weren't they beautiful enough the way they were?
to a bluegill tank. There are some really great lookers, especially at spawning time. Colors that make you go WOW!!!

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Only the keeper or owner can practice ethical methods therefore defining how ethical the practice is.

I'm an ethical fish keeper, weekly water changes, don't overstock, feed appropriately, monitor behavior.

My brother isn't, no water changes, I feed them, doesn't really care about them....

Don't worry I'm having an intervention and taking over the tank.
Yeah for you, Boo for your brother and sounds like a good thing for his fish.

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But here's the thing ( from an insider), unless you are getting the fish for free, your ARE NOT rescuing that fish's replacement. I know it sounds harsh but when a store makes a sale, that feeds their bottom line. If you keep bailing them out by buying their fish, you just give them reason to buy more and mistreat them too. The way to rescue fish is to not buy them from poorly kept conditions. When the shop loses the fish, it hurts their bottom line and eventually, enough to make them either close or stop carrying that product.
For me, the best way to rescue fish is to approach the store owner or manager and explain to them why you aren't buying their fish ( due to their condition) but would buy if they kept them better. This way, you give the store a chance to change their practices or at least know why they are failing in business.
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Old 03-06-2015, 07:53 PM   #14
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But so many of the Africans are being hybridized on purpose. Weren't they beautiful enough the way they were?

to a bluegill tank. There are some really great lookers, especially at spawning time. Colors that make you go WOW!!!





Yeah for you, Boo for your brother and sounds like a good thing for his fish.







But here's the thing ( from an insider), unless you are getting the fish for free, your ARE NOT rescuing that fish's replacement. I know it sounds harsh but when a store makes a sale, that feeds their bottom line. If you keep bailing them out by buying their fish, you just give them reason to buy more and mistreat them too. The way to rescue fish is to not buy them from poorly kept conditions. When the shop loses the fish, it hurts their bottom line and eventually, enough to make them either close or stop carrying that product.

For me, the best way to rescue fish is to approach the store owner or manager and explain to them why you aren't buying their fish ( due to their condition) but would buy if they kept them better. This way, you give the store a chance to change their practices or at least know why they are failing in business.

Only thing in my brothers defense is that he's 13. Still I gave him everything he needs to maintain it.
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Only thing in my brothers defense is that he's 13. Still I gave him everything he needs to maintain it.
Should I tell you how many tanks I was running at 13? At that age, he still should know better.
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Should I tell you how many tanks I was running at 13? At that age, he still should know better.

How many Andy 50-70 is my guess


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Yeah I know, I'm sick of arguing about it with him. But oh well it's mine now.
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Thankfully, my parents didn't let me get THAT crazy but I had about 20 going. All in my bedroom BTW.
I was already considered to be a commercial fish breeder by then also. Always nice to have "friends" in high places.
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Yeah I know, I'm sick of arguing about it with him. But oh well it's mine now.
No offense meant towards your brother. I was just in an exceptional situation at that age. I shouldn't compare myself to others. Sorry.

But, I'm sure, in the long run, the fish will appreciate the attention you are going to give them.
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But so many of the Africans are being hybridized on purpose. Weren't they beautiful enough the way they were?
to a bluegill tank. There are some really great lookers, especially at spawning time. Colors that make you go WOW!!!
The africans are being hybridized... but not nearly to the extent that other fish are. I mean really, what are they going to do to hybridize africans? There's already just about every color combination possible with them already.
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