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Old 06-14-2005, 12:13 AM   #41
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If Jesus Christ were tried in our court system he would not be declared innocent either....
also being site admin, don't u think thats a bit in-appropriate to be saying?
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In comparison to what?
There are all sorts of other names that prolly could be used there in stead, but Jesus Christ was the one used, mainly because whatever your religion - or lack there of- you at least know the story, and can make some sort of sense out of what was said

If he had said "Hitler" or something, no one would be freaking out about it.

Anyways...
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Old 06-14-2005, 12:26 AM   #43
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I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree.
i'm done.
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Should have been done three posts ago or better.....

I agree with liquid, any name could have been used, that's just what he used. It wasn't intended to start a religous debate.

I get frustrated with the system. I have relatives who should be in jail and aren't, but, the system works for the most part. I really have no idea rather he's innocent or guilty. I think the whole thing is tragic and sad on both sides.
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So if we want people to be innocent until proven guilty in this country we would protect the identity of the accused as well as the accuser.
I'm sure we would do just that, if your will to give up just a few of the freedoms our forefathers felt were essential when building this country and writing the bill of rights...
I dont think the forefathers could have fathomed what the media has become.. JMHO though
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He is such a freak....makes me sick.
Thank the gods we still have a society where that is not a crime, eh?

From what I garnered (and to be fair, none of us has heard even half the testimony or seen even 10% of the evidence from either side), Mr. Jackson's behaviour is certainly odd, perhaps even inappropriate at times, but the case offered by the prosecution was spotty and inconsistent, and there was enough (and, appparently, compelling enough) testimony and evidence presented by the defence to create enough reasonable doubt that the jury took less than a week to come to a verdict.

Personally, I think Jackson is certainly strange, emotionally damaged and underdeveloped, and far too attached to other people's children for his own good, but my gut feeling is that he is not a predator, just pitiable.
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He is such a freak....makes me sick.
Thank the gods we still have a society where that is not a crime, eh?
No kidding.. if you had to be normal to stay out of jail.. somtimes the common fokes among us dont stay out of jail for being abnormal by the way.. this would be a very sad place to live. and it is sometimes..
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I'm wondering how many people who haven't spent days in the courtroom have him declared innocent or guilty? I have always understood that most people are going to believe what they want to believe. I care more about whether the system is working rather than if this one man is guilty or not.

Still, after months of the media circus, I have no opinion re the verdict. Perhaps because I'm neither an MJ hater or fan. IMO, because he is soooo weird, because he has so much money, and because of his celebrity status he makes for the perfect victim. I can see where an unscrupulous parent would try and blackmail him. I can see where a DA might advance his career by bringing a case against him. MJ has set himself up to be in that position.

There is a danger in achieving too much fame and fortune. I can see where it might be easy to accept the godlike status that others attribute to them. I can see where someone in MJs position might feel they are above the law, and can do whatever they want.

If I view the verdict without any bias, I conclude that sytem worked. The prosecution simply failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. If I have a bias then I'm either elated of appalled by the verdict. Take your pick. Some want to see him as a hero, others a demon. In my mind he is neither.
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I have full faith in our legal system at this point. Only someone whom was in that court room 100% of the time can base an educated decision on his guilt. Something so simple as a body jesture by a witness could have discounted everything the witness said in the minds of the jury. Until you are in the room as an active or inactive participant there is no basis for judgement other than preconceved ideas or opions based upon what you have been told by others.
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I have full faith in our legal system at this point. Only someone whom was in that court room 100% of the time can base an educated decision on his guilt. Something so simple as a body jesture by a witness could have discounted everything the witness said in the minds of the jury. Until you are in the room as an active or inactive participant there is no basis for judgement other than preconceved ideas or opions based upon what you have been told by others.
I agree! Juries are to assess the credibility of a witness by using all they see as well as what they hear. On this end, all we get are a few seconds of facts followed by "in-depth" speculation disguised as investigation and explanatory reporting. Incidentally, that is why appeals courts here in the US hardly ever overturn facts. They merely review how the law was applied to the facts. The appellate judges figure that since the jury had a chance to see witnesses, as well as hear them, they are in a better position to determine credibility.

Here, even the post-verdict jury interviews bear that out. At least one juror has made reference to gestures made by witnesses that influenced their decision, even though those gestures will not appear on any transcript.

We sometimes have a tendency to think that how we perceive an event is exactly how it happened. Thus, if the jury renders a verdict that we disagree with, they must be wrong, because there is no way we are wrong.

The Jackson jury did what they could with what they had. They left that jury room believing they fulfilled their duty. They came out with the decision they felt was dictated by the facts they heard. In this case Jackson walked. In thousands of cases today, jurors will emerge from jury rooms with verdict papers in hand. When the verdicts are read, some will see justice, and some will hate the system. No decision will ever please everybody. But that is not the goal of the system. We live in a flawed world with a flawed legal system. When you consider the alternatives, I'll take our system any day.
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