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Old 03-09-2014, 08:12 PM   #51
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Epsom salts-calcium chloride?

Calcium chloride is not what is needed in your test, correct?
No, we are studying sodium chloride, not calcium chloride.
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I think there is confusion about the source of the Chloride.

J Mcpeak mentions calcium chloride (Epsom salts) which increases the hardness and calcium content of the water, and probably raises pH.

I see that at the bottom of that you mention its not on since epsom salt is use for magnesium sulfate
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Right you are, at some point I got mixed up. I removed an incorrect reference to Epsom Salts as calcium chloride on P.3

Regardless, overall we aren't talking about calcium chloride or epsom salts as the protecting element. My overall point was just that the argument against calcium chloride was not really our proposal, as it's not sodium chloride which is the protective element we are suggesting.
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Whoa!

I've got some catching up to do!

I thought I'd start the day off with this,

http://ciresweb.colorado.edu/limnolo...dfs/Pub079.pdf
(Toxicity of nitrite to fish)
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Blue Betta USA - The Use of salt

Salt related, confirms suitability for nitrite poisoning.
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I've got some catching up to do!

I thought I'd start the day off with this,

http://ciresweb.colorado.edu/limnolo...dfs/Pub079.pdf
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This is the very first article I provided at the start of the discussion
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Regards, salt and acidophile species.

SimplyDiscus.com: Microscopes: Nitrite Toxicity in the Aquarium by Ardan Huck

(Same confirmation, pH dependent)

Basic water yes, acid water no. Includes Na-Cl.
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This is the very first article I provided at the start of the discussion
My bad! No excuses!

Now it would seem it's my turn to get laughed at in a manor suited to a Simpsons character!

So I've more catching up than I'd first anticipated!
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"For nitrite poisoning salt can impart protection to the fishes. This happens only if the salt content is such that the chloride ion’s concentration is about 30 times that of the nitrite ion concentration in the water. Typically, nitrite becomes toxic at about 0.1 mg/L. This means that the chloride ion concentration would have to be at least 3.0 mg/L. This concentration translates into one of about 5.0 mg/L of salt (NaCl is 60.66% chloride, Cl-); this is equivalent to 18.7 mg/gallon. A teaspoon of table salt is about 5.5 grams (or 5,500 mg); a teaspoon of table salt would be sufficient to protect fishes living in approximately 294 gallons of water ! A standard treatment of SeaChem Prime will typically provide enough protection."

That is from JmcPeak's link Blue Betta USA - The Use of salt

I wish it had references though, I'm hesitant to blithely believe things.
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