Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Community Forum > Aquaria Off-Topic
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 03-10-2014, 05:39 AM   #61
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
J.Mcpeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Normally, In A Tank!
Posts: 1,685
Quote:
Originally Posted by threnjen View Post
Sounds good. But, most people don't have a scale that accurate, so we have to be able to disseminate in a more understandable form.

Do guys use stuff like tsp and Tbsp?? I don't actually know.
(why oh why doesn't the US convert to metric and stop being so dumb and annoying)
I have a set of 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2 spoon sizes, it's an important part of my kitchen, so yes, this guy does! I love cooking! Not sure they are accurate enough though, not like a proper scale set. I've a set of single point digital, which I use to weigh salt for my brackish set up. (Good enough for the job and way cheaper than .00 or the ridiculously priced .000 sets.)

You're the 2nd American I've met here who is seriously against imperial sizes.

We never fully converted! Building sizes are often imperial, wood stocks and bricks etc. newer materials such as gypsum boards (plaster board) are metric. Then we have engineers whitworth (not so common but still in use)
(If the spanner don't fit it's a whit!)
(antique cars have some other sizes, unique almost)

Now we have pints of milk with silly litre conversions on them? And wood sized in MM alongside your regular stock sizes, seriously it's mental!
__________________

__________________
https://www.flickr.com/photos/928918...7632686866609/
FW-750L DIY, 120L, 2x110L(not my)DIY. BW-60L DIY. Sw (nearly!)(http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums...se-284360.html)
^almost a DIY Fish House^ https://m.youtube.com/user/4tanks2day (L=litre)
J.Mcpeak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 05:45 AM   #62
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
threnjen's Avatar


 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,611
Oh my gosh that must be really infuriating. I wish the US would convert to metric but at least it's not mixed and we generally stick solely to Imperial. I very rarely see metric things. That would drive me batty!!
__________________

__________________
threnjen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:04 AM   #63
AA Member
Community Moderator
 
Delapool's Avatar



POTM Champion
Tank of the Month Award
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Perth, Australia
Posts: 13,564
Quote:
Originally Posted by threnjen View Post
"For nitrite poisoning salt can impart protection to the fishes. This happens only if the salt content is such that the chloride ionís concentration is about 30 times that of the nitrite ion concentration in the water. Typically, nitrite becomes toxic at about 0.1 mg/L. This means that the chloride ion concentration would have to be at least 3.0 mg/L. This concentration translates into one of about 5.0 mg/L of salt (NaCl is 60.66% chloride, Cl-); this is equivalent to 18.7 mg/gallon. A teaspoon of table salt is about 5.5 grams (or 5,500 mg); a teaspoon of table salt would be sufficient to protect fishes living in approximately 294 gallons of water ! A standard treatment of SeaChem Prime will typically provide enough protection."

That is from JmcPeak's link Blue Betta USA - The Use of salt

I wish it had references though, I'm hesitant to blithely believe things.

That sounds what I have where a teaspoon of salt will do 300 gallons.

I'm reading a 2002 book on koi (don't keep them but it is a free library book ) and it says nitrate can also cause flashing. It also says salt will reduce ammonia toxicity though which I didn't think was true?
__________________
Delapool is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:18 AM   #64
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Caliban07's Avatar


 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Manchester UK
Posts: 5,314
I'm starting to get a bit confused here. There are too many different views on how much salt is needed to protect against 1ppm nitrite.

Where did that link even get 0.1ppm as toxic?
__________________
Caliban07 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:32 AM   #65
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
J.Mcpeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Normally, In A Tank!
Posts: 1,685
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caliban07 View Post
I'm starting to get a bit confused here. There are too many different views on how much salt is needed to protect against 1ppm nitrite.

Where did that link even get 0.1ppm as toxic?

Perhaps the differing toxic levels are relative to a species or genus?
We have already observed several vastly different lethal levels in the now twice quoted reference PDF. (Top of page 5)

http://ciresweb.colorado.edu/limnolo...dfs/Pub079.pdf

This one (that's three quotes now!)
__________________
https://www.flickr.com/photos/928918...7632686866609/
FW-750L DIY, 120L, 2x110L(not my)DIY. BW-60L DIY. Sw (nearly!)(http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums...se-284360.html)
^almost a DIY Fish House^ https://m.youtube.com/user/4tanks2day (L=litre)
J.Mcpeak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:41 AM   #66
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
J.Mcpeak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Normally, In A Tank!
Posts: 1,685
Quote:
Originally Posted by threnjen View Post
Oh my gosh that must be really infuriating. I wish the US would convert to metric but at least it's not mixed and we generally stick solely to Imperial. I very rarely see metric things. That would drive me batty!!
Right, quite correct! Somedays, you use imperial stock with metric finishes! Cement bags is Kgs and litres of water, ready mix cement is ton weight?
the sand is ton weight?

Imperial bricks covered in metric plaster? <()
Although some light weight bricks are metric!
You make a hole in metres and fill it by the ton!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/92891884@N04/10105034694/

A prime example of me getting it wrong!
__________________
https://www.flickr.com/photos/928918...7632686866609/
FW-750L DIY, 120L, 2x110L(not my)DIY. BW-60L DIY. Sw (nearly!)(http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums...se-284360.html)
^almost a DIY Fish House^ https://m.youtube.com/user/4tanks2day (L=litre)
J.Mcpeak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:42 AM   #67
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Caliban07's Avatar


 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Manchester UK
Posts: 5,314
I'm just starting to wonder how prime protects against nitrite poisoning and if other dechlorinators contain anything similar.
__________________
Caliban07 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:48 AM   #68
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
threnjen's Avatar


 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,611
I've not read about salt reducing ammonia toxicity.
Does prime have sodium chloride?
I'm not ignoring other responses but I'm laying in bed now on my phoneand Idon't know how to quote and I hate using it to type a lot

Sent from my SGH-M919 using Aquarium Advice mobile app
__________________
90g FW Community, heavily planted, w/29g sump filter * 10g FW plants/quarantine/whatever * 5.5g FW Nano dirted/planted * 20g long FW community * 3.7g FW Pico
threnjen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:51 AM   #69
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
Caliban07's Avatar


 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Manchester UK
Posts: 5,314
Quote:
Originally Posted by threnjen View Post
I've not read about salt reducing ammonia toxicity.
Does prime have sodium chloride?
I'm not ignoring other responses but I'm laying in bed now on my phoneand Idon't know how to quote and I hate using it to type a lot

Sent from my SGH-M919 using Aquarium Advice mobile app

Don't worry about it. We might start to see some flawed English. You can't get the ingredients of most products but my guess it that is raises salinity somehow. Easy test that one with one of those salinity meters.
__________________
Caliban07 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-10-2014, 06:55 AM   #70
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
threnjen's Avatar


 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 1,611
I'm dubious it could do much though, 2 drips per gallon. But you may be right. I will test TDS tomorrow with some prime. If it adds salinity my meter will show it.
This thing is a fun science tool by the way and it was cheap!

Sent from my SGH-M919 using Aquarium Advice mobile app
__________________

__________________
90g FW Community, heavily planted, w/29g sump filter * 10g FW plants/quarantine/whatever * 5.5g FW Nano dirted/planted * 20g long FW community * 3.7g FW Pico
threnjen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
discus, nitrite, toxicity

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Toxicity of Cyanobacteria Madame_X Freshwater & Brackish - General Discussion 8 06-22-2017 12:26 PM
spray piant toxicity wierdkid General Hardware/Equipment Discussion 2 07-06-2006 05:15 PM
Fishy Cycle- Question regarding nitrite toxicity and PWC electrocutioner Freshwater & Brackish - Getting Started 3 04-11-2005 12:22 AM
Toxicity of artificial seawater Peeley Saltwater Reef Aquaria 7 03-01-2004 03:22 PM
Zoo Toxicity ReefRaff Saltwater Reef Aquaria 9 01-11-2004 04:08 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:50 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.