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Old 11-18-2004, 03:38 PM   #31
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ROTFLOL, that's rich.
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Old 11-18-2004, 03:50 PM   #32
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mmmmm.... steak, love it! I tried being a vegitarian once, I respect my veggie friends because they could do it, and I can't. What I don't like is when they try to preach and push veggie-ism on you.
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I love rare steak. You know how the blood kinda collects in the front part of your bottom lip, and you kinda suck it down? Its a burst of yummy flavor.
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Funny Story:

Shawn Hannity, famous conservitive radio talk show host gave one of his producers ( a vegan) a 300.00 certificate for live lobsters to be delivered to her door to make some yummy meals.

She orders the Lobsters, and when they arrive she decides she is going to set them free. She drives down to her local park's pond. (this is in the middle of the winter mind you) She has to punch a hole through the Ice before she can put them in one by one. On top of all of that, she didn't bother to cut the rubberbands off of their pinchers before she let them go.

"I meant well." she says. Well, whatever makes her feel good about her self I guess.

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i know that story very well listen to shawn a lot

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I'm not sure what the exact level of intelligence is with fish... but a lot of freshwater fish I've ever fished for are dumb enough to keep trying to bite, sometimes even after being caught. I think most of what they do is instinct only.
I got the simpsons joke... that was a great episode.
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Guess that's why I didn't get it. I don't watch the simpsons.
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I wouldn't classify them as "intelilgent", but they have, IMO from experiences in this hobby, memory and the ability to learn behaviour. I differentiate the two in that, to me, intelligence is the ability to reason and solve problems without prior example. My fish, it's as obvious as day and night to me, know when i'm coming over to the tank to feed them. But if you put food in a loose covered box, I don't think they would have the intelligence to figure out how to open it to get the food.

And earleir when I said they have feelings, I was refering to the senses. They feel hot, cold, pain, hunger and fear (in a very natural sense). They don't have emotions. I think a lot of people confuse the aibility to feel with having emotions. They are very different. It's instinct for a fish to fear a shark. It's what keeps them from becoming dinner. But they aren't "cowering in fear" they're fleeing to survive. And when the shark passes, they come out and return to their normal life of feeding, spawning and avoiding becoming dinner. ahhh... the life of a fish
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I hate hearing stuff like this. its people like this whom introduce the walking cat fish in FL and the snakehead in MD and nonindigious species off the east cost in the atlantic. In 10 years the lion fish population in the atlantic ocean will rival that of native species. In 10 more years their population may very well be so numberious native species being to become extinct due to a preditor with no natural enemy.

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But if you put food in a loose covered box, I don't think they would have the intelligence to figure out how to open it to get the food.
Octipi have been show to exibit such intelegence. Of course the PETA documents dont say anything about octpi I dont belive.
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I have two thoughts on the way this thread is going.
1) The problem I have is overfishing and not using all you can out of the fish.
ie shark fin soup, and the like if you kill it use it all.
2) have you ever seen a fat vegan?
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