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Old 11-19-2004, 12:03 PM   #41
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2) have you ever seen a fat vegan?
Yes I have. There is alot more to someones body shape than just the foods they consume.
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2) have you ever seen a fat vegan?

It is very hard to get all the right proteins, nutrients, and other stuff that your body needs to be very healthy as a vegitarian. I know a lot of vegitarians, most of them are very skinny, but their skin isn't as firm, they have a higher percentage in body fat (which doesn't mean you're fat), they get tired more easily, and are sick more often. I love meat, I eat a lot, but I'm not fat. In fact, I'd like to say I have a pretty nice body for someone who is in class, at a radio station, eating in between, and sleeping whenever I can, and don't have time to work out. I'm a lot more healthy than my veggie friends, I have a lower % of body fat, and overall I have more energy (I have to with my schedule!!). I had a class that did a comparitive study on this and the result support everything I just said. Yes, you can be in great shape and very healthy as a vegitarian, just as healthy as a meat eater, sometimes more. But it takes a LOT more effort than just eating tofu, carrot juice, and salads. You have to eat more veggies, and different kinds, to get the same nutrition from a steak. Probably the reason why the bear eating berries will go for the fish that flops out of the river next to him, and then continue eating the berries. If we were ment to survive on only non-animal organisms, we wouldn't have evolved with the teeth we have today (omnivore-type with both tearing and grinding for meat and vegitables).

Now, not all meat-eaters are healthy either, and many are overweight, but that is more complext than just what they eat. (how, how much, emotional issues, etc...)
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there are also health issues that can affect ones physical body shape that has zero berring on ones diet.
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1) The problem I have is overfishing and not using all you can out of the fish. ie shark fin soup, and the like if you kill it use it all.
I agree 100%. Waste is bad. But in a commercial sense, there really isn't much waste in the fishing industry (for consumption). Just about everything that is "tossed aside" as not human consumeable, is taken to processing plants and becomes feed. Fish food is 90% fish. Some cattle feed, IIRC, also has some fish byproducts. This is bones and all. A nasty site to see all the "bits" emulsified and pelitized. But it all gets used.

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I wonder if the PETA people believe that plants have "feelings". I am assuming that they don't eat meat, which is fine. But they would surely starve if it was proved that cabbage and beans could feel pain.
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The problem I have is overfishing and not using all you can out of the fish.
ie shark fin soup, and the like if you kill it use it all.
The horrible thing with that is very often they dont kill the shark. They cut off all of the fins and throw it back in the water alive and let it starve to death.

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It is very hard to get all the right proteins, nutrients, and other stuff that your body needs to be very healthy as a vegitarian
I'd hate to turn this into a diet debate but I don't agree. The only reason it can be hard for someone is because it takes a little work to find and prepare food. People who aren't on any type of diet get used to packaged foods and fast food. A lot of people are too lazy to learn a new way of eating and don't want to give up their favorite foods. My wife and I are vegans at heart though we eat fish and occasionally some turkey... She is a very healthy weight and build... the rest of her family is close to if not completely obese. If we had not changed our diet she'd be in the same situation... Anyway, there are many more nutrients in stuff people don't even know about. Oatmeal for one has a lot of protien, I never knew that til I read the package... I could go on, but I wont...
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Yeh, I understand your point, but I was trying to say that most everything we need to be healthy is in omnivorous diets and it is much easier to get those things as an omnivore rather than just as a vegitarian or vegan. I went on to mention that genetically we aren't made to just eat vegitables and I personally don't see the point for me to quit my way of eating. I am very glad your wife is able to remain healthy, but maybe it isn't just the food she eats. My dad is very overweight, it is genetic, but I *knock on wood* have not inherited those genes. So just crediting the food may not be entirely correct.
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The person Sean Hannity gave the Lobsters to was Flipper. There was another incident where a musem somewhere had a GoldFish in a non working blender. It was a ethical test to see how many people would flip the switch. Of course Hannity said he would flip the switch. Flipper was horriefied and PETA was screaming. LOL

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But if you put food in a loose covered box, I don't think they would have the intelligence to figure out how to open it to get the food.
octopi have been show to exhibit such intelligence. Of course the PETA documents dont say anything about octopi I dont belive.
Except octopi aren't fish...they are cephelapoids (sp?) and on top of that some species of starfish can do it too. I used to want to be a marine biologist can ya tell? There are some really neat vids online though of octopi getting food out of glass jars.
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