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Old 11-17-2004, 07:11 PM   #1
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PETA and Fish ethics

PETA has really hit a sore nerve with me now. I just heard about this on Fox news on my way home and I am absolutly beside myself with this. Im sorry to any one out there whom is a PETA supporter but honestly these folks are going insane.

http://fishinghurts.com/feat/linda/

Please visit the above link. Not to support them but to be aware of the kind of propoganda they are spreading now.

First and formost I do belive fish have a higher mental ability than just to breath, breed, eat and deficate. There are many fish species that have shown remedial and somewhat advanced socal order and test have been shown to indicate fish do have memory ability or the ability to learn/be traned.

But do they feel pain? Do they feel terror? I dont think so. Pain and Terror are human emotions and should not be carried over to the animal kindom as a whole. Sure a fish will react when you 'hurt' it. Its a nerve reflex, nothing more.

Neal Cavoto was the host of the show interviewing this PETA rep. PETA mentioned that fishing was inhumane. Well first lets see what inhumane means. "Lacking pity or compassion." Do I pitty the fish when I catch it? Do I feel bad about the fish's family when its caught? Nope. Should I? If I did then how could I drive a car or even walk on the ground with out being concerned I would squash a bug with my windshild or my foot..

Anyway Neal asked if it was inhumane for a bear to catch a fish and eat it. The PETA rep said no because the bear is doing what it does naturally. And Neal tried to get across that we as humans have just as much a natural right to feed ourselves as the bear but good ol PETA would not hear a word of it. Fishing is crewl because we hook their lips. Well they must be thinking to themselves it would hurt me to have a hook pushed thru my lip so it must hurt the fish. But wait. Have they done biologial tests on fish to determin the number of nerve endings in the fish's lip region? I havent myself but I can tell you one thing. All the fish I caught as a kid never flinched when I pulled the hook out any more than they did with out a hook in their mouths. So whos to say the fish even is aware a hook is on their lip other than the fact they can no longer swim away.

I could go on for a very long time on this but I wont bore anyone any further.
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:20 PM   #2
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so, is it inhumane with the bear's claws rip and tear apart the fish as it is still living? Or when wolves start feasting on a young elk calf when it is still alive enough to struggle and call for its mother? Sorry to be so graphic, but that argument has no weight to it. Most people who fish in streams, lakes, rivers, are planning on eating them. There are some people I've seen on the outdoors station that only fish for fun (and kill it in a not-so-humane way) and that is when I disagree with it. But fishing for the average person...bah....
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:22 PM   #3
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Technicly yes if you go by the definition it is. Because im sure the bear or wolf have no pitty or compasion toward the fish. This is where the falicy of giving animals human emotions and trates is so evident.
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:27 PM   #4
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Ugh......i hate it when these animal rights organisations start making points which don't lead you anywhere. Our animal rights group in Belgium actually sent an angry letter to a tv-show, because there was a goldfish (fantail ) in a very small bowl. How ridiculous. My mom works at the show and the fish is only put into that bowl for shoots. Apart from that it always sits in a big enough tank(at least 10 gal) by itself with filtration.

Don't we all love these animal groups.......i mean, at some level they may be right, but don't start whining about the little things.....like fishing is cruel.......they should instead stand up against bad methods of fishing like fishing with dynamite (i've seen people do it in poor countries on tv!) and so on.......they souldn't stand up to fishing in general......ridiculous.

Take on some serious matters people.
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Taken to the extreme, humans shall not eat of living thing. That is a position that is wholely insane. Hunting just for the thrill of hunting...ok fine. But if you're going to feed yourself, you should be able to hunt. We are supposed to be "civilized" and not torture. I can agree with that but sometimes the extreme is further out there than necessary. IMO
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:32 PM   #6
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they should instead stand up against bad methods of fishing like fishing with dynamite
Exactly. Or the use of cyanide by some fish collectors. Ill be composing an article on dynamite shortly. Putting the final touches on the cyanide one now.
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What defines "living"? Plants are living since we classify them dead when they are...well for the lack of a better word dead. How do you define 'feeling pain"? A coral will retract its polyps and often shrink in size when being fragged. It will also produce a nice slime. Is this a sign the coral is in 'pain'? Do you have to have a brain to experence pain? Corals dont have brains yet they react to the stimulas of being cut.

See how redicilious this can get.
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I've always wondered why PETA assumes that plants don't feel pain or distress.

The PETA people seem to know all the answers, but are they aware that plants produce stress hormones in response to injuries? That plants can sense environmental changes and adapt to them? That plants go to great lengths (e.g. burls and galls) to protect sensitive tissues from foreign irritants?

Is pulling up a carrot from the earth (violently tearing its delicate root system apart in the process) more morally acceptable than landing a fish from a stream with a hook? Why? Because carrots are only plants? Hmmm....

PETA's biggest logical flaw is their assumption that the ability to sense and react to changes in the environment = self awareness.
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I wish I knew where I read this, its been a long time ago, but I can remember the concept of the article...
a scientist monitored two house plants while growing them side by side, the electrical impulses... or something like that, and sent in a different person on occasion to talk to the plants and touch them. , the "impulses" (or whatever he was measuring) would increase slightly. but when he went in they stayed the same. Then one day he sent in a person I think who had been in there before and they ripped apart one of the plants. The "impulses" from the surviving plant went off the charts... so.... my conclusion?? none.. but I thought it was interesting.
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PETA= People Eating Tasty Animals. LOL
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