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Old 10-21-2005, 10:49 AM   #81
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i really dont see the humor in that.
That's because you are an adult. I already mentioned that it was childish and infantile. It's also somewhat childish to be afraid of PETA's actions against you because your opinions differ from theirs (the mention of sending PETA a link to this thread). Lighten up.
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Once again, the thread is going a little off-topic. Mentioning the hacking of websites is not something that this forum condones.

Let's try to keep the topic in focus.
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Regarless if it was inteded as a joke or not further discussion about illegal activity will result in this topic being locked.

I dont care how much you disagree with what a person or group stands for there is no logic in breaking the law.

I feel ashamed that this discussion would even degrade into what its slowly becomming. There are many orginizations out there that are trying to fight the mispreception that the aquarium hobby is destrorying our natural habitats. If you want to fight PETA on their stance with aquariums then donate or support these orginizations. In the MACNA posts I have linked to many of these such orginizations. The 'movers and shakers' of this hobby are very aware of the conservation movement and desire to move along with it to develop sustanable harvest techniques where captive breeding is not a possiblity.
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I'm sorry. I was simply responding to the following...

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You should email them a link to this thread . . .
Very much not....you have no idea just how much trouble for AA that could cause....PETA has many less than ethical persons on their side....we hardly need to be hacked.
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Exactly you don't want hand us over as one of the groups to target for their whole "anti-aquarium" crusade!
And was replying that they probably have more concerns with their own security and gave an example of what type of threats they may be facing. If I knew it was going to be misinterpreted or possibly read on it's own and out of context, with no thought of the previous posts, then I probably wouldn't have posted it.

As far as it "degrading into what it's becoming", this topic deals with the views of an organization that is not only proud of it's extreme tactics, but promotes destructive acts to further it's own agenda. With extreme groups you are going to have an extreme reaction of differing opinions. It's like the old Bush/Kerry or God/Evolution "discussions". People's thoughts and emotions are too strong to have good debate over topics like this. If over-moderated, you end up with watered down comments that hardly encompass the whole of the topic and end up with a very distorted view of what's really happening or how people actually feel about something. It's like saying "This is an important matter. We better not talk about it (or at the very most, just dance around it).".

All political and religious topics that I've seen on this board have the word "locked" located in at least one post within if not an actual lock on the topic itself. At one point I remember seeing a post stating that people were not allowed to start political posts anymore. Maybe topics about extremist groups (relevant to the hobby or not) should be "banned" also so that they won't offend anyone not mature enough to realize that people have differing opinions of different strength and that they are all valid on some level?
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If I knew it was going to be misinterpreted or possibly read on it's own and out of context, with no thought of the previous posts, then I probably wouldn't have posted it.
Same here.
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Bad mouthing an orginization does nothing than to simply incite those whom suport the orginization.

If you disagree with PETA than become active with a group whom is lobbying in opposition with PETA on these maters. Here are just a few reconized orginizations doing just that in the marine hobby. I am sure there are just as many in the freshwater side.

Reef Protection International
Coral Reef Alliance
US Coral Reef Task Force
Marine Aquarium Council
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Bad mouthing an orginization does nothing than to simply incite those whom suport the orginization.
Very true. Example: ". . . even if an individual aquarium keeper is kind and provides an amazing environment for his or her fish, buying those fish still contributed to the suffering and death of many other fish."
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Is this a PETA comment?

The proper comeback for such a comment is something like this.

"This might be true and that is why its imperitive that everyone from the local retailers to the collectors understand how important it is to be educated about what they are collecting, selling and for the hobbists what they are keeping. If this means turning away a customer because the retailer feels they dont have the knowlege needed to provide for that fish, coral, plant or invert than so beit."

Only thru a consentrated education program can we change some of the negitive views that non hobbists have. The arguement made above can be turned around and made for all domesticated pets. Dogs, Cats, Birds, Rodents, etc.
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have you guys ever spoken with steve curosoe on Reef Central, we had a huge thread going about this issue
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PETA looks at everything through blood colored glasses. They need to choose their battles, not attack everything and everyone who has ever eaten, had as a pet or looked cross-eyed at an animal. They are attacking all aquarists as cruel gains enemies, not friends. If people had no experience with animals they would not care about them and wouldn't want to protect them. Is a lion cruel for eating an antelope? Is the bigger fish cruel for eating the smaller fish?

The following is typed/posted only in jest:
How dare PETA and vegetarians be so Kingdomist-it's bad to eat animals but okay to subjugate plants and use them for their own selfish purposes. If they want to compare cruelty, at least my beef was killed-after ripping them from their mother-plant and natural environment, they eat their apples alive. Trees are people too.
Eat a vegan, save a soybean.
(I actually have some vegetarian/vegan acquaintances-one laughed so hard at that last one she almost tossed her tofu.)
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