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Old 12-27-2013, 05:42 AM   #41
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If you do fish in cycling right there is no reason ammonia should reach 0.25ppm.
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How does the tank ever cycle if you don't get any ammonia readings?
I'm not arguing, I am simply curious how this could work.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:46 AM   #42
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Ding, ding, ding!

We're on the same page. I have no experience with fishless cycling. I have to admit I don't trust it. I'd like to run some numbers. I think a lot of what is out there is anecdotal.
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To me fishless cycling is much more stressful to the hobbyist. The amount of posts on here relating to stalled cycles and posts about giving up because nitrites won't come down is frightening. Far more water changes if you do a fishless cycle wrong.
People are just impatient and/or confused re: the nitrites.
This is the only forum I am aware of that advocates water changes during a fishless cycle. I'm not convinced that the information about that is accurate and not simply a perpetuated myth. I don't know this for sure, though.

As an example. So I'm doing this fishless cycle on this bucket? It probably is at 20ppm ammonia right now. No joke. And my nitrites are going up, it is not stalled. I was taught the fishless cycle very differently and it doesn't hide from high ammonia or nitrite levels with water changes at all.

BUT my last cycle was "tainted" by the seed media from the LFS. It was a ways into it though, when I already had nitrites. So I CAN confirm that I got nitrites even with ridiculous ammonia levels. But as for nitrite->nitrate, my test results were tainted.

I think there is just a lot of misinformation.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:47 AM   #44
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Ding, ding, ding!

We're on the same page. I have no experience with fishless cycling. I have to admit I don't trust it. I'd like to run some numbers. I think a lot of what is out there is anecdotal.
Another reason I am running the fishless cycle on the bucket is I want to show that water changes aren't important and that ammonia and nitrites can be CRAZY HIGH
I was taught to dose the 4pp, ammonia EVERY DAY until you see nitrites. Every day! My ammonia levels are crazy right now! Is the cycle stalled? Nope. People on this forum will freak out if ammonia is over 4ppm and tell me my cycle will stall. My nitrites say otherwise.


I'm a bit confused what you mean by "I don't trust it" though
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The fishless cycle seems to call for a level of chemistry I don't think most people can handle.
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I am cycling things this "other" way because I hope to share my results with the forum and see if I can change anyone's mind about the fishless cycle and how it "must" be done. Because this method is so different. But we'll see. I don't think it will happen. Not the cycle, the convincing and changing of minds.
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The fishless cycle seems to call for a level of chemistry I don't think most people can handle.
I think people around here just make it super complicated.
I'm glad I hit the other forum first and learned to cycle there or I bet I would be mad confused and still be uncycled.
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I'm excited about your objectivism. I'll do what I can to help.
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I got back into it with a cup of gravel from my LPS. I've never done it without seed.
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I mean no offense or disrespect to anyone who prefers it, but I think deliberately doing a fish-in cycle sounds crazy. It's so much more work!"
Some people would much rather do the extra "work" than stare at an empty tank. Personally, I don't really consider water changes and testing to be work. It's just not a big deal.
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