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Old 02-03-2005, 10:47 PM   #91
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As long as its legal to kill unborn children I should be able to choke down a table full of Big Macs while smoking a Marlboro Red armed with an uzi and chasing it down with a tall Jack and Coke while betting fistfulls of my own money on the superbowl and watching a porno tape. Not even all of those acts combined are the equivalent of terminating the life of an unborn child who has NO choice in the decision.
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So..um...we should put you down for a no?
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Old 02-03-2005, 11:26 PM   #94
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This was actually a very well controlled study which did take into account the other variables ( socio-economic, education of the parents, ...) As a science person, I always look at the study with a skeptic's eye.
Be careful with your belief in statistics. Study bias, response bias, the bias of the person paying for the study, all play a large role. Remember the "scientist" who could prove that certain races were less intelligent? It wasn't Hitler, it was Herrnstein and Murray with their 1994 book "The Bell Curve." The math was totally valid. Do you believe it?

Edit: sorry FishFreek. Came into the thread late, and any thread that proposes a "Ban" invites a wide range of freedom debates. A little hard to stay on track about McD's
I agree TomK2 - I once read a correlation beteen increased ice cream sales and violent crime.

But again my point was on the issue of the effects of second hand smoke. The physical effects on the brain are quantifiable with brain imaging technology. The long term effects are still being studied and the report I mentioned was one of many.

My issue is that those who cannot make an informed choice whether to breathe second hand smoke COULD be at risk. These are the children who cannot roll the window down in the car. Isn't it worth looking at if the well being of our children is at stake?

And again- I do not support micro -management of the government into personal lives. If a person choses to smoke - so be it, but be informed as to the possible effects on yourself and those around you.
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Glad to see so many "gun nuts" here. I own 1 or 2 and will defend my right to keep them. I keep them safe, but loaded. If you break in on me well say hello to St. peter. but they are locked up to where no one but me and my wife can get them.

Mcdonalds should not be banned. Of course if you eat there much you probally have no taste buds left for real food. But then again that's your choice. I eat there some, once or twice a month. Sometimes just to remind me why I don't eat there more often. Now hot wings I'm a sucker for. Finally found some place that can make some good ones so if anyone knows anything bad about the hot wings don't tell me.
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Wow, a 10 page debate and nobody's gotten the boot yet!

Anyway, sure, go right ahead and ban McDonalds, Burger King, Wendys, and Hardees if you want - but don't dare lay a finger on KFC! Mmmmmm.....honey BBQ wings.

I believe that this boils down to informed choice.
Everybody knows that excessive consumption of greasy, fried foods is unhealthy.
Everybody knows that excessive consumption of alcohol is unhealthy.
Everybody knows that smoking is unhealthy.
Armed with that knowledge, you make a choice and live with its consequences.
The only exception to this, IMO is when children are involved, since they don't have the capacity to make informed choices yet.

Some of our 'enlightened' leaders in NY have suggested adding an obesity tax to fast food purchases. The money would supposedly go to the state to offset obesity-related expenses incurred by Medicaid/Medicare. Would this stop people from going to McDonalds and the like? Highly unlikely! In NYC, a pack of cigarettes costs $7.50!!!! Combined city and state taxes are over 3 dollars per pack. Yet, I still see lots of people buying cigs in my neighborhood.

Mayor Mike Bloomberg said he raised the city tax by $1.5 in order to save lives. Ha ha ha ha ha! I think he just needed more revenue for the city, and he knew that those poor nicotine-addicted slobs would be an easy, politically expedient target. BTW, bless all you smokers, gamblers, and drinkers. Without your generous contributions to NYC and NY State, my personal income taxes would be higher. :P
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In NYC, a pack of cigarettes costs $7.50!!!! Combined city and state taxes are over 3 dollars per pack. Yet, I still see lots of people buying cigs in my neighborhood. Mike Bloomberg said he raised the city tax by $1.5 in order to save lives. Ha ha ha ha ha! I think he just needed more revenue for the city, and he knew that those poor nicotine-addicted slobs would be an easy, politically expedient target. BTW, bless all you smokers, gamblers, and drinkers. Without your generous contributions to NYC and NY State, my personal income taxes would be higher.
Right on target QTOFFER! Did you know that two of the major manufacturer's actually lowered their price by the same amount? The City gets their money and smokers think they are getting a bargain! I happen to be one of them.
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I think McDonalds should be banned because the guy in the cube next to mine eats it a lot and later on in the day has really, really rank, um, emissions.

Down with stinkiness.
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