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Old 02-03-2005, 01:28 PM   #71
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Smoke is harmful in ANY quantities to anyone near it.
So are many things. The steel mills near me churn smoke into the air all day long. The big steel-hauling trucks are always a danger to everyone else. The strip-clubs and porn shops along the truck route cause crime, litter, and prostitution. When I was on the train this morning, some woman was coughing in front of me. All of these things are potentially harmful to me, but where should the line be drawn?
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Old 02-03-2005, 03:41 PM   #72
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As far as the cost associated with health care from obesity and smoking, one can argue that it's just accelerating the time frame of when those costs are brought to bear. Perhaps there may even be fewer health care costs for a fat smoker that drops dead of a massive coronary without ever having a stay in a hospital, than the 90 year old that is hospitalized perpetually with a variety of age related illnesses. There's always a counterpoint!

Now THAT is an interesting countepoint, BrianNY. I've never thought of it that way. Interesting.
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Old 02-03-2005, 03:59 PM   #73
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With drug companies whos less ethical? Merck for taking a drug off the market because their own extended studies showed potental increas in heartattacks or Phizer who keeps an equivlent drug on the market when extended studies show simular results yet the company claims that if the drug is taken as recommended by the company there are minimal health risks. Personally I think Merck is more ethical as they removed the product from the market not because it was killing people for being used correctly but because way to many docs where perscribing it inproperly.

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Just a quick thought about the drug company debate. My husband was on Vioxx for pain. Now he cannot take it anymore and he has serious pain daily that affects his daily life. Plus, it affects mine because the daily pain makes him such a grouch. He's tried the alternatives, but they don't work. I wish they would bring Vioxx back for him. He used it responsibly and has none of the risk factors.

As an NP, I've worked with several elderly people who are in chronic pain. Vioxx takes away or minimizes the pain. They cannot take the alternate meds because of the risk of stomach ulcers.

What about Viagra? It has a definate link to deaths and men with heart disease taking nitrites, but they didn't take it off the market. They just got the word out to avoid giving Viagra to men with these risk factors. I believe Vioxx should be given the same chance.

I guess this thought wasn't as quick as I thought it would be.
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I have to say...

Smoking should be banned from restaurants. I have one of the worse cases of asthma the doctor has ever seen...Someone simply smoking near me can throw me into an asthma attack and eventually kill me.

I'm really tired of the crappy job restaurants do to separate smokers and non-smokers. If the government forced some sort of better division well fine.

There are many citys here in Ohio that have plainly banned smoking in public places and yes they will ticket you.

I just have to say...I believe it is unfair for me to have to be near smoke in a restaurant. I try my hardest to avoid it and have for years but sometimes I do not have a choice.
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Merck took Vioxx off the market I belive on its own accord. I dont belive the FDA had anything to do with it. ALthough they might not allow it to reenter the market.
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Here's an interesting article about why Vioxx was taken off the market:

http://www.vioxx.com/rofecoxib/vioxx/consumer/index.jsp

Apparently, they were studying the effect of vioxx on colorectal polyps and found that there was an increase in cardiovascular events. But, there were 2 other studies that did not show adverse effects. It just seems to me that they pulled it off the market too quick, but I may not know the whole story.
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Guns kill and injur people on an hourly basis. Should we outlaw them? Personally I would be all for the outlaw of guns. Usually the argument is that people own a handgun for protection. BUT, statistically you are more likely to be shot by your own gun in the event of someone breaking into your house. Usually the gun is unloaded and locked somewhere. If the gun is unloaded, do you REALLY think you'll have time to unlock the gun safe and load it when a burgler is 25 feet away? AND, in this day and age, if you shoot an intruder, the family of the intruder has the right to sue you.
The right to own guns is the reason you have the right to voice an opinion that might differ from the gov'ts. The second ammendment was put in place for a reason, that by the people for the people thing We have the right to own guns, not necessarily to protect us from crime, but to allow us to protect ourselves from our government.

There was a town in georgia several years ago that made it a law that each household must contain a gun and someone in the houshold must be trained in the safe operation and handling of firearms. It was made legal to wear a sidearm openly in the public, what happened you might ask? Crime dropped in that town 98% in the first year. Should there be more laws on handguns? Possibly, should they be outlawed, definitely not. If you outlaw guns, the only people with guns will be the cops and the criminals.

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IMO this was true when posted, things have changed a little bit though.
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Guns kill and injur people on an hourly basis. Should we outlaw them? Personally I would be all for the outlaw of guns. Usually the argument is that people own a handgun for protection. BUT, statistically you are more likely to be shot by your own gun in the event of someone breaking into your house. Usually the gun is unloaded and locked somewhere. If the gun is unloaded, do you REALLY think you'll have time to unlock the gun safe and load it when a burgler is 25 feet away? AND, in this day and age, if you shoot an intruder, the family of the intruder has the right to sue you.
The right to own guns is the reason you have the right to voice an opinion that might differ from the gov'ts. The second ammendment was put in place for a reason, that by the people for the people thing We have the right to own guns, not necessarily to protect us from crime, but to allow us to protect ourselves from our government.

There was a town in georgia several years ago that made it a law that each household must contain a gun and someone in the houshold must be trained in the safe operation and handling of firearms. It was made legal to wear a sidearm openly in the public, what happened you might ask? Crime dropped in that town 98% in the first year. Should there be more laws on handguns? Possibly, should they be outlawed, definitely not. If you outlaw guns, the only people with guns will be the cops and the criminals.

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IMO this was true when posted, things have changed a little bit though.

I just read about that town recently - although I thought it was West Virginia.

"We have the right to own guns, not necessarily to protect us from crime, but to allow us to protect ourselves from our government. "

Ah, a man after my own heart - and a Jefferson fan I'll wager.
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Sorry, I can't help but to laugh at this thread, not for content, just for nature (only read to page 4 sofar )

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McDonalds should have been banned long ago for the animal slaughtering techniques. I read an article about how they go about killing their animals (and how they don't meet certain standards of human-ness)... it was absolutely horrible.
You mean there is meat in there somewhere?

Oh, surprising no one has mentioned that a single bigmac has the calories to keep an average person going for a full day (no fries or coke with that), and the lack of disclaimer, tisk tisk. yet they have to label "coffee" as hot, duh, if it wasn't i wouldn't be buying it.

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I got into this debate with perhaps the wrong person a while ago, I will agree that it must be one extreme or the other, either all out, or all in..

Consider, right now down there you have the right to bear arms , so some people use this right and own 1 or 2 or 80 guns, while 2 people do not..

Now, having no gun, a man comes up with an obvious gun and demands your wallet, but out of fear that you may have a gun, he shoots you first, then takes your wallet. (incase you didn't know, 95% of all criminals that will commit armed robbery are scared), now did the right to bear arms protect you? no, same scenario, but you have a gun, and it's obvious that you have a gun, the man shoots you and takes your wallet (perhaps in the back), third scenario, he knows you do not have a gun, demands your wallet, you give it to him, and he leaves, about a 1/1000 chance of being shot.

the reason I say all in, or all out, is if the case is an obvious gun on you, he may not attempt it at all due to fear.

the way your law is down there, that town may not have taken the action I would have, but it did take an action that can only reduce the crime rate.
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Nope you were right - it's Kennesaw, Georgia that requires gun ownership.
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