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Old 06-08-2013, 10:48 AM   #141
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There are much, much larger issues when it comes to keeping livestock rather than what one shop is doing. There is not a continent on earth whose waters and fishes have not been affected by the devastation and destruction caused from deforestation, pollution, agrochemical run-off, overfishing, global warming, and political unrest, and invasive species.

There is also H.R 996(for those of us in the U.S) lingering around as well looking to ban the majority of our hobby. So I would encourage more people to get involved in the C.A.R.E.S Preservation Program and start writing your congressman to stop bans such as this.

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Stopping the first one and supporting the second(among others) will have a much larger effect towards conservation rather than complaining over what two people are doing on a TV show in which less that 2% of the actual viewers are aquarist.
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That's the whole point. It says to 98% of the viewers that fish are disposable decorating items. This does not help to make us look any more responsible with our livestock. The opposition already paints us as fish and coral killers.
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What have you done to actually stop any of this? Again I've asked this question twice now without a response, has anyone actually take the time to contact the company to get their side of the story? I'm sorry but in my opinion like the old saying goes "if your not part of the solution your part of the problem". I spend a great deal of time and money(in terms of donations) each year contributing to places like I've posted in the past. You'll never hear me complain without making an attempt to change things, I just don't see the point without trying to make a difference.
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This is a discussion, not a political action committee. Contacting them to berate them for this is not productive. The only good I can see from it, other than selling more aquarium supplies, is at least a realization on our parts as to how important it is we do try to be part of the solution, rather than just collectors of pretty fish. As a diver I always held second thoughts when it came to collecting wild specimens. And as a aquarist, I also try to buy tank raised whenever possible and the wild caught specimens, well I guess the best I can do is to give them a full life span.
And yes, my wife and I do donate to causes that support wildlife. And if I was not a aquarist, I would be amongst the opposition requesting tighter regulations on fish capture, but only if the true causes of reef destruction were also addressed.
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My point exactly, a singled sided discussion. At no time did I say berate them as I'm adamantly on their side a small business owner myself. The point of the inquiry was to get their side of the real story, not someone's scripted story. You actually have no idea what happens behind the scenes, it's hard to stay in business that many years with all of your tanks failing.
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My point exactly, a singled sided discussion. At no time did I say berate them as I've adamantly on their side a small business owner myself. The point of the inquiry was to get their side of the real story, no someone's scripted story.
I think what we have been exposed to is the scripted story. It is the reported aftermath that has gotten attention on this forum. And granted, maybe only one or two systems have gone bad out of many. But those systems that went bad were designed based on showing off tennis shoes , not keeping the fish alive. And I believe those few tanks doesn't send a good message to anyone with a conservationist viewpoint.

I also am a small business owner and agree that it is gratifying to see a success story like theirs.
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This is a discussion, not a political action committee. Contacting them to berate them for this is not productive. The only good I can see from it, other than selling more aquarium supplies, is at least a realization on our parts as to how important it is we do try to be part of the solution, rather than just collectors of pretty fish. As a diver I always held second thoughts when it came to collecting wild specimens. And as a aquarist, I also try to buy tank raised whenever possible and the wild caught specimens, well I guess the best I can do is to give them a full life span.
And yes, my wife and I do donate to causes that support wildlife. And if I was not a aquarist, I would be amongst the opposition requesting tighter regulations on fish capture, but only if the true causes of reef destruction were also addressed.
There are always going to be an opposition in any walk of life. Kill the whales or save the whales. Stop the shark finning don't stop the finning. I agree with you though, probably because I don't see myself as an advanced aquarist. I would only have a tank bred and raised specimen. But I think aquarist will have a big role in saving some species from extinction.
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I too would love to have one of their non-theme tanks. And I watch both shows. But, yes, some of use diehard hobbyists are put off by the livestock process they show on the air.
Idk that doughnut was pretty cool
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That's the whole point. It says to 98% of the viewers that fish are disposable decorating items. This does not help to make us look any more responsible with our livestock. The opposition already paints us as fish and coral killers.
What's funny is isn't every pet fish caught far. Raised and with coral raised in a tank ? Also this is coming from a government that tested new sonar in a highly active whale and dolphin area despite people complaining it would hurt the wild life. And then they tell us we are bad?
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I also am a small business owner and agree that it is gratifying to see a success story like theirs.
I own a somewhat controversial business in that I sell firearms, which as your well aware is either loved or hated by the general public. This is the reason I'm so verbal in this particular subject as the nature of my company has been the subject of many online forums discussing gun rights. I have emailed ATM to get a little background on what really happens to the tanks after the cameras stop rolling, hopefully they will respond to shed a little light in the subject.
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