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Old 06-15-2013, 03:27 AM   #11
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either way if its not torn up it will be living inside the fishes stomach for sometime before dying. i once caught a bass that had three live bullheads in it, those fish live through just about anything but im sure other fish suffer for a few minutes before dying
Ewwwww! Sometimes I REALLY hate nature!!!!
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Old 06-15-2013, 03:33 AM   #12
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Now I don't feel so good about feeding my leopard gecko mealworms:/
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Old 06-15-2013, 07:13 AM   #13
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I think feeding live fish to predatory fish like oscars is unethical. The only exception would be a South American leaf fish
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:05 AM   #14
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I think feeding live fish to predatory fish like oscars is unethical. The only exception would be a South American leaf fish
Why is that the only exception?

This world is a fish eat fish kind of world! Granted, I don't think in the wild there are Bettas running around for Oscars to eat but a predatory fish is just that, predatory. I can guarantee you that in the ingredient list for something like Hikari sinking carnivore pellets, they have fish in there and those fish were not dead until they got to the factory. How is that much different aside from using a middleman? That being said, I try not to feed my predators live food often (solely because live feeders tend to have a high potential for disease with the AWFUL conditions they are kept at). Sorry if I see it different then you all, and I do not mean to argue, I just want to understand your point of views.
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Old 06-15-2013, 09:27 AM   #15
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I have no issues with feeding live fish. Doesn't matter the species a fish is a fish. I have never found a fish to be happy, have personality, etc.... There are alternative food sources one can choose if they so desire but I will not step in and say they are the only ones and must be used.

To me the issue is the perverse pleasure that some owners get from feeding live.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:03 PM   #16
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a year ago i would have thought the same as you, i thought fish were emotionless creatures that forgot things after ten seconds. after being in the aquarium hobby for a year i think completely differently now fish do have personalities. my favorite thing before was fishing now it makes me sad if a fish swallows my hook whole, i would only ever kill a fish if i were going to eat it.
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Old 06-15-2013, 01:07 PM   #17
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Pain = an unpleasant sensory and emotional experience
its different with bugs some scientists believe that they dont feel pain because of what their brain can sense and some say they feel something but its not nearly as intense as a mammal or fish. i think your fine feeding your gecko the mealworms
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I think feeding live fish to predatory fish like oscars is unethical. The only exception would be a South American leaf fish
Why would that be the only exception?

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a year ago i would have thought the same as you, i thought fish were emotionless creatures that forgot things after ten seconds. after being in the aquarium hobby for a year i think completely differently now fish do have personalities. my favorite thing before was fishing now it makes me sad if a fish swallows my hook whole, i would only ever kill a fish if i were going to eat it.
There still is no scientific evidence to really prove fish are capable of exhibiting complex emotions. Some animals can - I think we all are aware that household pets like cats and dogs can be sad, happy, etc. However fish don't appear to be that complex. A prime example is how fish will go nuts for the same food day in and day out. They are just trying to survive, so as long as they are getting what they need they won't get "bored" with the staple food you are feeding.

This is a preadatory world, as adam said. We eat animals - maybe we don't swallow cows whole, however we still eat them. Just like that, fish eat other fish. That is how the animal kingom is though - food chains, survival of the fittest. We seem to have gotten more sensitive to that sort of thing, the death of animals. Should we aimlessly kill any animal we find? Should we purposely feed our oscars our girlfriend's bettas? No. However hunting is part of nature. Like Lepo said though, the pleasure that some get watching fish eat others isn't good either.
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I found the enjoyment the guy got out of watching it was disturbing, but I also think feeding live fish is unnecessary. Cats are predators too, but I don't feed mine live animals.
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I agree that feeding live is in most cases unnecessary. You can find good staple flakes or pellets (containing fish meal, mind you) that will give your fish adequate nutrition. There are fish that will turn up their nose at prepared foods, but this is generally the case. The issue I have is some people getting so worked up over a fish eating another fish. Killing and eating is the instinct of the fish - that is life, you cannot change their instincts.
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