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I have a 65g planted, low light/low tech tank that I dose with Excel flourish and do weekly 50% PWCs. There has always been some algae, but within the last week, it started growing out of control, all over the plants, the glass, the rocks, the driftwood and the PFS that I use for substrate. Any reason that the algae might have started growing so quickly? I added 4 small angels last week, would that have precipitated something? Any ideas on being able to control this kind of thing? Thanks.
 
What kind of algae are we talking about? BBA, hair algae, diatoms, BGA, etc?

What exactly are you dosing? Flourish Excel, or flourish (comprehensive) & excel?

How long has the tank been setup?

What kind of lighting? How long per day are you lighting the tank? Is it on a timer?

What is your nitrate reading?
 
fort384 said:
What kind of algae are we talking about? BBA, hair algae, diatoms, BGA, etc?

What exactly are you dosing? Flourish Excel, or flourish (comprehensive) & excel?

How long has the tank been setup?

What kind of lighting? How long per day are you lighting the tank? Is it on a timer?

What is your nitrate reading?

I don't know the kind of algae. It's a deep green and like I said, covers everything in a soft covering, nothing sticking too far above the surface. I can't get any more specific, sorry.

I'm dosing Flourish excel, like I said, doing it mostly after water changes (I've been forgetting to do it daily)

The tank has been up and running since April, so about 8 months and has been more heavily planted for about 4 of those.

I have 2 21 watt bulbs, one actinic(about which I've heard both that it can cause more algae and that it won't, don't know which is true), the other is a 10000k. I don't remember the exact type, it's downstairs andy the moment and I'm already in bed. I have the lighting on while I'm at work, about 12 hrs, maybe 11.

Tested nitrates tonight before I did my PWC and is was about 5ppm.
 
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/algae-resources-83547.html

The thread I linked above will help you identify which kind of algae you have. Getting an ID will go a long way in helping to control it.

Based on the info you gave, I have a couple of suggestions for you.

1. Lighting. Usually this is the primary factor in causing algae in a tank. A photoperiod of 12 hours is pretty long, even for a low light tank. I would cut that back immediately to at most 8 hours a day. While you are battling this algae, you may cut it back even more than that temporarily, say 4 days with no lights on, and a week or 2 of 4-6 hours a day of lighting.

2. It is possible that you are bottoming out on nitrogen. A reading of 5 or less could indicate that there is not enough N available for your plants. This kind of imbalance can be capitalized on by algae. Cutting back the lighting will also help with this. Less lighting means less photosynthesis, which means your plants will uptake nutrients more slowly.

3. Dosing excel just after PWCs. While I doubt this is a contributing factor to your algae growth, dosing excel that infrequently will provide little, if any positive benefit to your tank. It should be dosed almost every day, or at a minimum, every other day.

If you can look through that thread I posted above and positively id the type of algae we are dealing with, there might be some more measures to getting it under control.
 
I should also add that it may actually help to start dosing flourish comprehensive or something similar once a week. With the tank being up for 8 months, it is possible that your plants are running low on available micronutrients. Potassium may also help as it is not readily replenished like nitrogen and phosphorus are through feeding and fish waste. Just as with N, any serious nutrient imbalance can contribute to algae growth. The other things I mentioned should be tackled first, though imo.
 
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I'm not sure K issues can cause algae. I just don't think that it's that important to mono-cellular organisms vs multi-cellular (although I may be wrong on that).


Without knowing what type of algae it is, we can only give you broad stroke advice: less light, shorter photoperiod (11-12 hours might be pushing it), and better ferts + consistent excel. That being said, it sounds like either a case a GDA/GSA (usually light and fert issues) or BGA (usually low nitrate of insufficient flow).

Just checking, but you do know that you have to shake the nitrate test kits before using them to get the correct reading right?
 
I have to leave for work, but thanks for the tips so far. I'll check that thread to ID the algae as soon as I get home and I'm leaving the lights off today. I'll pick up some comprehensive today as well and keep dosing the excel. And yes, aqua_chem, I do shake the bottle, but thanks for checking, you never know. More when I get home.
 
aqua_chem said:
I'm not sure K issues can cause algae. I just don't think that it's that important to mono-cellular organisms vs multi-cellular (although I may be wrong on that).

It isn't the uptake of K by algae that can contribute. It is the nutrient imbalance that can occur if plants become K limited that can contribute. I would agree though - not a cause but a contribution.
 
http://www.aquariumadvice.com/forums/f24/algae-resources-83547.html

The thread I linked above will help you identify which kind of algae you have. Getting an ID will go a long way in helping to control it.

Based on the info you gave, I have a couple of suggestions for you.

1. Lighting. Usually this is the primary factor in causing algae in a tank. A photoperiod of 12 hours is pretty long, even for a low light tank. I would cut that back immediately to at most 8 hours a day. While you are battling this algae, you may cut it back even more than that temporarily, say 4 days with no lights on, and a week or 2 of 4-6 hours a day of lighting.

2. It is possible that you are bottoming out on nitrogen. A reading of 5 or less could indicate that there is not enough N available for your plants. This kind of imbalance can be capitalized on by algae. Cutting back the lighting will also help with this. Less lighting means less photosynthesis, which means your plants will uptake nutrients more slowly.

3. Dosing excel just after PWCs. While I doubt this is a contributing factor to your algae growth, dosing excel that infrequently will provide little, if any positive benefit to your tank. It should be dosed almost every day, or at a minimum, every other day.

If you can look through that thread I posted above and positively id the type of algae we are dealing with, there might be some more measures to getting it under control.

So, I left the light off when I went to work today and when I came home, the water is very cloudy, worse than it was before. I would think that I should do another water change (I did one last night), but I don't want to make anything worse.

Also, sadly, all but maybe 2 of the links on that page are completely gone, the list should really be updated.

Doing some extra googling, though, it looks like my problem is "green water" or an algae bloom, since it isn't so difficult to remove that it requires a credit card or razor blade to scrape it off, so it doesn't seem to be green spot, which is the only other one it looks like. Going off of info from this page:
Freshwater Algae Types: An Illustrated Guide - Article at The Age of Aquariums - Tropical Fish

So, thoughts, suggestions?
 
It seems this is my problem:

Green water (algae bloom)
This is the most common problem if the cloudy situation extends beyond 10-14 days. Note that "green water" (GW) is not always green in appearance! Since GW is the most common problem and the most difficult to solve the answer needs to reflect several options. The situation that causes GW is usually a combination of high nitrates, phosphates, and mixed in some ammonia/ammonium. Substrate disturbance is usually the culprit. What happens is the algae (GW form) will flourish off of the ammonia/ammonium and phosphate, remembering that algae can consume phosphate easier than plants because of their thin cell walls, the algae uses up the ammonia/ammonium and phosphate, but it doesn't go away...because algae can quickly switch which nutrient it scavenges...it moves to nitrates. So you can see why water changes will not rid a tank of GW. Nutrients can be reduced very low in GW and fairly quickly by the GW algaes, but they can scavenge other nutrients...iron and trace elements. So, it's very common for the GW to solve the situation that causes it to begin with, but that won't eliminate the GW, for the reasons I've alluded to. Five methods exist to eliminate GW. Blackout, Diatom Filtering, UV Sterilization, Live Daphnia, and Chemical algaecides/flocculents. The first four cause no harm to fish, the fifth one does.

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Method No. 1 - Blackout
The blackout method consists of covering the tank for 4 days, so no light whatsoever is allowed into the tank during this time. Cover the tank completely with blankets or black plastic trash bags. Be prepared, killing the algae will result in dead decaying algae that will decompose and pollute the water. Water changes are needed at the beginning and end of the blackout time and ammonia should be monitored also.

Method No. 2 - Diatom Filtering
Diatom filters can sometimes be rented from your LFS. This is my preferred method. Personally, I use my Magnum 350 w/Micron Cartridge coated with diatom powder. Diatom filtering removes the algae and doesn't allow it to decay in the tank. You do have to check the filter often, if you have a really bad case of GW the filter can clog pretty quick. Just clean it and start it up again. Crystal clear water usually takes from a few minutes to a couple of hours.

Method No. 3 - UV Sterilization
UV Sterilizers will kill free floating algae. They also kill free floating parasites and bacteria. They also can be problematic for extended use in a planted tank, as they will cause the “breakdown” of some important nutrients. They are expensive and don't remove the decaying material from the tank, if you can afford to keep one they are handy to have around, though not as useful IMO as a diatom filter.

Method No. 4 - Live Daphnia
Adding live daphnia to your tank. This can be a bit tricky. First you need to ensure that you are not adding other "pests" along with the daphnia. Second, unless you can separate the daphnia from the fish, the fish will likely consume the daphnia before the daphnia can consume all the green water.

Method No. 5 - Chemical algaecides/flocculents
I hate the last way, the flocculents stick to the gills of fish. Although it won't actually kill them, it does compromise their gill function for quite a while, leaving them open for other maladies.

(Taken from the website linked in my previous post)

I've had the lights off since that first post suggesting it, I've been dosing Flourish excel and comprehensive and I did a 50% water change.

From the article I quoted above, it seems that the approaches to getting rid of the algae are pretty severe. Are those the only options? Is there anything else I can do that would be helping to keep things under control? Thanks.
 
You can try just running with no lights for several days without doing a total blackout and see if it gets better. Either route is going to take time...
 
Thanks so much for your help, both of you. If this continues, when should I get really worried about it. Any ideas on what my water change regime would be while it still going? I've read that water changes can actually make these algae blooms worse. Once I've gotten this one under control, if I keep the lights at 8 hrs a day or less and continue dosing the flourish product, should that ell to keep this kind of bloom at bay? I guess I'm still not entirely sure what precipitated this outbreak. Was it getting those new fish that put it over the edge?
 
Thanks so much for your help, both of you. If this continues, when should I get really worried about it. Any ideas on what my water change regime would be while it still going? I've read that water changes can actually make these algae blooms worse. Once I've gotten this one under control, if I keep the lights at 8 hrs a day or less and continue dosing the flourish product, should that ell to keep this kind of bloom at bay? I guess I'm still not entirely sure what precipitated this outbreak. Was it getting those new fish that put it over the edge?


I would do a couple of 50% changes if it is an algae bloom. Exporting excess nutrients will certainly not make it worse.

Following that new fert/lighting scheme may or may not work. It will be a little bit of trial and error. It could have been the fish, it could have been bottoming out on a particular nutrient, etc. There is just no way to tell at this point. One thing is for sure: It is possible to run a tank without these issues but it just takes some tweaking, some time, and some tinkering. You will get it balanced. Your tank is still a young tank...
 
fort384 said:
I would do a couple of 50% changes if it is an algae bloom. Exporting excess nutrients will certainly not make it worse.

Following that new fert/lighting scheme may or may not work. It will be a little bit of trial and error. It could have been the fish, it could have been bottoming out on a particular nutrient, etc. There is just no way to tell at this point. One thing is for sure: It is possible to run a tank without these issues but it just takes some tweaking, some time, and some tinkering. You will get it balanced. Your tank is still a young tank...

Thanks, I'm not worried about spending the time to fix it and I'm not worried about an unattractive tank, I just want to make sure that my fish will be safe and that I'm doing everything I can to get out of this without any deaths. I'll keep this thread updated with how things go. Thanks again.
 
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