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Old 10-30-2013, 10:13 PM   #1
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Project "no salt needed" build thread

I'm starting my build thread now and documenting the growth of my 125g planted tank. I gave the thread the name "no salt needed" because I'm coming from a reef tank.

I got the tank cleaned up and placed back in my den. In the pic is how my filtration will be setup, the black box in the bottom right will be where the pump draws from and the clear box in the top left will be where the filter media is and be the discharge of the pump. The pump will be under the cabinet in a tote for leak protection. It's there to show the flow path.

Filtration equipment is a split apart eshopps 900gph overflow with mag7 700gph pump with provisions to install one of my bigger pumps if needed.

The lighting will come from a Current USA t5ho 12 lamp fixture with 8 lamps installed giving 322 watts.

Substrate will be eco complete on the ends with dry aragonite in the middle to break it up. The sand will just have a couple rocks laying on it and be an open swimming area.

My fish list includes 4 electric blue rams, 20-30 neons or jumbos, 4 discus(I can't stand it, have to have a few), 5-8 Cory's, maybe a dwarf flame gourami, any other suggestions welcome.

Plants, the routine low-moderate light stuff. I'll detail that as I get them. My plan is to buy 1-2 of what I want and let them grow to the amount I want. What are a couple fast growers for the cycle portion?
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:12 PM   #2
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I'm starting my build thread now and documenting the growth of my 125g planted tank. I gave the thread the name "no salt needed" because I'm coming from a reef tank.

I got the tank cleaned up and placed back in my den. In the pic is how my filtration will be setup, the black box in the bottom right will be where the pump draws from and the clear box in the top left will be where the filter media is and be the discharge of the pump. The pump will be under the cabinet in a tote for leak protection. It's there to show the flow path.

Filtration equipment is a split apart eshopps 900gph overflow with mag7 700gph pump with provisions to install one of my bigger pumps if needed.

The lighting will come from a Current USA t5ho 12 lamp fixture with 8 lamps installed giving 322 watts.

Substrate will be eco complete on the ends with dry aragonite in the middle to break it up. The sand will just have a couple rocks laying on it and be an open swimming area.

My fish list includes 4 electric blue rams, 20-30 neons or jumbos, 4 discus(I can't stand it, have to have a few), 5-8 Cory's, maybe a dwarf flame gourami, any other suggestions welcome.

Plants, the routine low-moderate light stuff. I'll detail that as I get them. My plan is to buy 1-2 of what I want and let them grow to the amount I want. What are a couple fast growers for the cycle portion?
You should put that RO to use if your keeping discus. I'd up the cory amount and do another school of about 20 fish (small).
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Sounds like a great plan so far. I love your stock list too, it'll make for some beautiful movement in the tank. My only suggestions would be to make sure the sand area is a bit off center, and to get a black background on the tank. Looking forward to seeing this pan out, it's always interesting to see salties go fresh, it's typically the other way around! Love the thread title too.
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Old 10-30-2013, 11:16 PM   #4
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Yeah, I agree, up the Cory count, but IMO stick with one large school of neons. Two schooling or shoaling species can make it look a little chaotic. There's nothing like the movement of a huge school if neons or cardinals, and you definitely have the space for it.
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That is a lot of light so your going to seriously have to decide if your going to use high dose of liquid carbon or CO2. Plus you'll need to dose dry ferts.

Good plants to start with are ones like Water Sprite, Wisteria, any fast growing stem plants like Ambulia are good too.

Honestly if your wanting to do Discus I definitely would not use aragonite. It's going to increase your kh/gh/ph which won't be good. You can get any other sand.

Another thing the Discus need higher temps which rams love but you need to research other fish that like temps that warm. Sterbai Cory cats like higher temps. Rummynose and Cardinals also do well in higher temps.
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Speaking of RO water, do I need to use the di section of it as well or just the RO section? The tds is about 3-7 out of the RO unit, the di unit takes it to 0.

Anywho, as far as fish, I don't want a stockyard full in the tank, my reef was pitifully under stocked only had 6 fish in there, only 2 of them got big. The rest were runts. I know the discus like the heat, that's why I've been looking very closely at mates from the same temperature zone.

I thought being under 3wpg, I'd be ok as far as not needed co2. I can yank a couple bulbs out if I need to, I did mod the reflector and have some awesome par all the way to the bottom, is par more the case than wattage?

This is killing me about the sand, I have 2 bags laying in the basement, my ph is out of the tap is 6.2, haven't checked kh/gh yet. But, I fear it'll be kinda high because taking a shower is like being hit with rocks. Doesn't the eco buffer the ph more towards the acidic side?
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Play sand is like 5 bucks for a 50 pound bag at Home Depot. You just have to rinse the crap out of it. I don't think Eco really buffers the water, but I could be wrong, I've never used it. I believe it's pretty much just crushed up lava rock.
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Speaking of RO water, do I need to use the di section of it as well or just the RO section? The tds is about 3-7 out of the RO unit, the di unit takes it to 0.

Anywho, as far as fish, I don't want a stockyard full in the tank, my reef was pitifully under stocked only had 6 fish in there, only 2 of them got big. The rest were runts. I know the discus like the heat, that's why I've been looking very closely at mates from the same temperature zone.

I thought being under 3wpg, I'd be ok as far as not needed co2. I can yank a couple bulbs out if I need to, I did mod the reflector and have some awesome par all the way to the bottom, is par more the case than wattage?

This is killing me about the sand, I have 2 bags laying in the basement, my ph is out of the tap is 6.2, haven't checked kh/gh yet. But, I fear it'll be kinda high because taking a shower is like being hit with rocks. Doesn't the eco buffer the ph more towards the acidic side?
Your water doesn't run through a water softener unit does it? If not with a ph out of you tap at 6.2 you won't need RO. In fact your going to have to add minerals like Seachem's Equilibrium to get ph/gh/kh up just a bit.

I understand about the sand but what worries me is you won't know how much it's going to raise ph and kh in the tank. It could make it too high for the discus. I wouldn't be quite as worried if you weren't going to have Discus.

Par is the important thing! WPG is obsolete with all the new lighting these days.
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No water softener. Is 6.2 really that bad? I'm sure nature has a little swing every now and then. Couldn't I just remove the sand if the hardness and ph go up too high while it's cycling? It will be in a central location, not mixed in with the eco. Please don't think I'm being an ***, I'm just asking for future references, plus I do not like leaving out any details.

I was sort of afraid you'd say par is the king, same thing with the reefers, my fixture grew acroporas like crazy, I had to put my mushrooms under ledges to keep from frying them, if that's any indication of what my light will do.

Working on the plumbing, about 1/2 way done. Just wish my sub would show up so I can get going.

Never too early to ask, who would be the preferred breeders to get discus from? The lfs is out of the question, for now anyway.
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Hey if you don't ask questions you'll never know the right answers! So yes, you could use it and if it alters ph/kh too much you can remove it. It's just a PITA doing that IMO.

Discus like low ph and soft water but the problem is when ph drops to 6.5 or below biological activity slows. When ph drops to 6 or below biological activity stops and BB begin to die off. Also when your kh drops to 3 and below there isn't enough buffers in the water to keep a stable ph. I try keeping my kh/gh both at 3 or 4. I have harder water so I use RO water as I have an RO unit too.

With that kind of lighting your going to grow algae. You would have to run CO2 from the start and limit your photoperiod to 6 or less hours. I have a monster Aquatic Life Metal Halides and T5HO fixture plus I run a Build My Led fixture too on the 220. I have very high light but get incredible color in my plants. I also can only run my T5HO's for 2 hours, then all lights for 6 hours, then run the BML fixture at 10% for another hour. I also have to use liquid carbon along with the CO2. I have to be very careful as I have no room for error in keeping my tank balanced so it stays algae free.
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