Go Back   Aquarium Advice - Aquarium Forum Community > Freshwater > Freshwater & Brackish - Planted Tanks
Click Here to Login

Join Aquarium Advice Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com
 
Old 11-29-2008, 09:16 PM   #1
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 25
What plants survive at low pH & low light (6.0 or under)

Hi,
I am keeping weitzmani tetras in a 4 gallon and they absolutely MUST have low pH (5-6.5). I am aiming for 6.0. The tank also has very weak lighting because the fish dislike bright lights. 5 watts at 4 gal (1.25wpg). Furthermore, I am using small pebbles for substrate so the plants cannot be rooted as well. I know it's tough to plant stuff but can you guys recommend me some plants that can survive in those conditions? What about java fern and anacharis?
__________________

__________________
29 gallon planted biocube:6 pygmy cories,6 corydoras trilineatus,4 nannostomus mortenthaleri,10 checkerboard cichlid,2 tiger hillstream loach,2 otto cats,3 apisto trifasciata,7 bentosii tetra,7 CRS
Jeffs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2008, 10:25 PM   #2
Moderator Emeritus
 
Purrbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Iowa USA
Posts: 5,860
Unfortunatly that's extremely low light on that small of an aquarium. While you MIGHT have a chance with Anubias, Java Fern, Java Moss, and Crypts, you'd probably be better off skipping live plants unless you decide to upgrade the lighting. (For reference I've got 36 watts over a 5.5 gallon and consider it to be approximately medium light.)
__________________

Purrbox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 05:10 AM   #3
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 25
I know my lighting sucks. It's one of those lousy 4 gallon baby biorb I got as a gift. Baby biOrb Silver Aquarium Kit at PETCO

Frankly it's pathetic with an undergravel filter (can't put fine gravel needed for plants), tiny surface area due to the spherical design and a puny 5 watts which can't be upgraded. I have nothing good to say about the product but oh well...

Purrbox or anyone else, those plants that are mentioned: anubias, java fern, java moss, crypts, do they do fine in 6.0pH? If not, any other plants that doesn't have to be rooted and can survive with 1.25wpg?
__________________
29 gallon planted biocube:6 pygmy cories,6 corydoras trilineatus,4 nannostomus mortenthaleri,10 checkerboard cichlid,2 tiger hillstream loach,2 otto cats,3 apisto trifasciata,7 bentosii tetra,7 CRS
Jeffs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 10:44 AM   #4
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
bs6749's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Paw Paw, MI
Posts: 2,493
Jeffs - I strongly recommend that you purchase some ADA Aquasoil for that tank. You should look into Amazonia or Amazonia II, either the sand or the gravel will be okay. It will buffer your pH EXACTLY where you want it. I have it in my CRS/CBS tank and that's what most people use since CRS/CBS are so fragile. It does an excellent job at keeping the pH stable and it also removes some hardness from the water. I haven't had to adjust my tank in MONTHS and when I add new water (pH of 8.0 and hardness of 300ppm) it's no big deal because the amount is so small and the soil gets the water to where it needs to be! I have java moss in the tank with almost no light and it is THRIVING for some reason. I've heard that an acidic pH is quite beneficial to plants for better uptake of nutrients, so maybe this is why my moss is doing so well. I think that rule pertains to rooted plants but my moss is doing excellent with mainly ambient lighting.

Also, if you have an incandescent light on the tank it'd be more like 0 wpg because that light isn't very useful to plants. You might want to change the bulb out with a CF if it's the screw in type.

I'd look into java fern and some crypts for your setup along with java moss, which I'm sure the tetras would like.
__________________
bs6749 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 11:06 AM   #5
AA Team Emeritus
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Whitby, Ont,Canada
Posts: 2,755
Plants were grown with incandescent lights for many years before the advent of readily usable flourescents. Anubias would be my choice and perhaps Java fern.
__________________
Join a fish club. Don't have one in your area? Start one.
BillD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 11:12 AM   #6
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
bs6749's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Paw Paw, MI
Posts: 2,493
You'd need many more "wpg" with incandescent lights over that tank to see any sort of growth though, wouldn't you?
__________________
bs6749 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 11:45 AM   #7
AA Team Emeritus
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Whitby, Ont,Canada
Posts: 2,755
Can't say what WPG requirements would be, but we grew lots of plants with incandescent lights back in the early 60s. I wouldn't do it now, because it isn't necessary, and not all plants will grow well under incandescent, but I used to grow sag by the bushel under incandescents.
At the moment I have a long 30 (48" x 12" x 12" ) that has one 32W T8 tube over it, with out a reflector, and am getting good growth from V. spiralis, E. compacta, L. sessiflora, dwarf sag, and anubias. By good growth I mean I have to trim, and remove plants to keep room for the fish. When I thin I will generally remove 50 or 60 of the Vals. At the moment the tube is a Philips Hi Vision, which isn't likely to be found recommended by any plant growers. I have the same tubes on 2 other similar tanks, but in a 2 tube fixture, and am getting great growth there also. The tubes ere given to me, used, after having been in use for 6 months. A rather unlikely plant tube, but the results speak for themselves. I am surprised by what I am seeing.
__________________
Join a fish club. Don't have one in your area? Start one.
BillD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 01:44 PM   #8
Aquarium Advice Addict
 
bs6749's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Paw Paw, MI
Posts: 2,493
That's really great. Too bad you are in Canada or I'd pay you for some of those vals!
__________________
bs6749 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2008, 11:55 PM   #9
Aquarium Advice Apprentice
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Newton, MA
Posts: 25
Thanks for the advice guys. BS, I can't use ADA soil because of the undergravel filter stuck to the bottom of the tank and soil would just clog up the filter. It really is a useless tank. For now, I have java moss and java fern, let's hope it works. I can see my plants alright with the light, just don't know if it will support the plants I chose. If java moss can't even grow in the tank, I'll probably give it to the trash can and get another tank (not into plastic plants.
__________________
29 gallon planted biocube:6 pygmy cories,6 corydoras trilineatus,4 nannostomus mortenthaleri,10 checkerboard cichlid,2 tiger hillstream loach,2 otto cats,3 apisto trifasciata,7 bentosii tetra,7 CRS
Jeffs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-03-2011, 12:52 AM   #10
Aquarium Advice Newbie
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffs
Thanks for the advice guys. BS, I can't use ADA soil because of the undergravel filter stuck to the bottom of the tank and soil would just clog up the filter. It really is a useless tank. For now, I have java moss and java fern, let's hope it works. I can see my plants alright with the light, just don't know if it will support the plants I chose. If java moss can't even grow in the tank, I'll probably give it to the trash can and get another tank (not into plastic plants.
I have 2 anubias plants growing perfectly in the baby biorb, by the way, it is a 5 watt halogen bulb on the roof. Tie the anubias plant onto one of the rocks included with the tank with some fishing line, and make sure to wipe the leaves of algae every now and then.
__________________

__________________
bryanmholland is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
light, low light, low ph, plant, plants, what plants

Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about them on AquariumAdvice.com

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How low is my low light? Compatible plants? taylorodw Freshwater & Brackish - Planted Tanks 7 04-09-2009 03:49 AM
what you see is what you get low light - medium low light plant package mgamer20o0 Archive 1 02-28-2009 10:43 PM
WTB Low/Med-Low light floating plants zacusmaximus Archive 1 08-10-2007 03:22 AM
10 gallon low light (15W), low tech planted tank filter? TomK2 Freshwater & Brackish - Planted Tanks 7 03-16-2005 10:55 AM
Add ins for low light low planted tank? Deitta Freshwater & Brackish - Planted Tanks 9 05-05-2004 02:15 PM







» Photo Contest Winners








Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:30 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.