LR illegal in hawaii! - Aquarium Advice

guitarded · 09-13-2004, 05:01 PM

i just spoke to some members of a local saltwater aquarium club and asked them where they get their live rock. they told me that [acronym:b687839e48="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:b687839e48] is illegal in the state of hawaii, even if it is bought and shipped from the mainland U.S. (or anywhere else). i asked them if they have any [acronym:b687839e48="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:b687839e48] dispite the ban and, although they are pretty staunch enthusiast, they don't and kinda look down on those who are "breaking the law".

i, too, am pretty conforming when it comes to these things so i will also comply.

i guess i will be setting up a [acronym:b687839e48="Fish only"]FO[/acronym:b687839e48] tank and spending some time in that forum.

CBRGuy · 09-13-2004, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarded

i just spoke to some members of a local saltwater aquarium club and asked them where they get their live rock. they told me that [acronym:55b228b9be="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:55b228b9be] is illegal in the state of hawaii, even if it is bought and shipped from the mainland U.S. (or anywhere else). i asked them if they have any [acronym:55b228b9be="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:55b228b9be] dispite the ban and, although they are pretty staunch enthusiast, they don't and kinda look down on those who are "breaking the law".

i, too, am pretty conforming when it comes to these things so i will also comply.

i guess i will be setting up a [acronym:55b228b9be="Fish only"]FO[/acronym:55b228b9be] tank and spending some time in that forum.

Just get some Base rock from HiRocks.com It is just rock not from the ocean. I will soo turn purple if you get some Corline Alage scrapings.
You won't get the critter,but you'll get the look

HoopsGuru · 09-13-2004, 05:17 PM

According to the state's laws on corals, etc...rock collection is only illegal for commercial purposes. Also, the rock must not be broken off the reef, but rather can be collected as coral rubble. There is a limited amount that can be taken per person, per day.

http://www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/dar/libra...l_liverock.htm

reefrunner69 · 09-13-2004, 05:18 PM

I agree, if you can get some quarried terrestrial rock, it should be OK, if not, you can make your own base rock (instrctions on GARF.org) and it can become live in your tank

guitarded · 09-13-2004, 07:14 PM

hoops guru, thanks for the link. i will share that with the [acronym:baace227ad="Saltwater"]SW[/acronym:baace227ad] club! i guess it will be legal for me to havest one [acronym:baace227ad="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:baace227ad] of live rock per day (yes, that read [acronym:baace227ad="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:baace227ad], not pounds - as per the following quote from the state website...

"The taking of sand, coral rubble or other marine deposits is permitted in certain circumstances. The material may not exceed one gallon per person per day, and may be taken only for personal, noncommercial purposes. HRS §171-58.5, §205A-44"

guitarded · 09-13-2004, 08:46 PM

i did some further research and the above says i can take a galloon of sand, coral rubble or other marine deposits. it doesn't say anything about live rock. i further found the regulation about live rock as follows...

Live rocks
Unlawful to take, break or damage, with any implement, any rock or coral to which marine life is visibly attached or affixed. HAR 13-95.

so i guess as i originally posted... no live rock. also, after talking again with the [acronym:874743c5d4="Saltwater"]SW[/acronym:874743c5d4] club, they say that if you are found with live rock, regardless of actually origin, then you can be prosecuted.

Atari · 09-13-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by guitarded

they say that if you are found with live rock, regardless of actually origin, then you can be prosecuted.

Um, how are they going to prove that you didn't make it yourself? And if you did actually make your own then it will eventually look just like regular [acronym:a8d02bd905="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:a8d02bd905] so does it become illegal at that point to??

Also, that quote doesn't say anything about importing [acronym:a8d02bd905="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:a8d02bd905].

CBRGuy · 09-13-2004, 09:30 PM

I agree with Atari. Also there are companies that Aquaculture [acronym:6921f5f2cc="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:6921f5f2cc], which would not be taken from a reef.

ReefRaff · 09-13-2004, 09:57 PM

ya if you make it according to Garf, then it's not live rock, it's cement.

4enzix · 09-13-2004, 10:42 PM

u could just make your own and take pics of the process... they cant really dispute that

09-13-2004, 05:01 PM	#1
guitarded Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 204	LR illegal in hawaii! i just spoke to some members of a local saltwater aquarium club and asked them where they get their live rock. they told me that [acronym:b687839e48="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:b687839e48] is illegal in the state of hawaii, even if it is bought and shipped from the mainland U.S. (or anywhere else). i asked them if they have any [acronym:b687839e48="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:b687839e48] dispite the ban and, although they are pretty staunch enthusiast, they don't and kinda look down on those who are "breaking the law". i, too, am pretty conforming when it comes to these things so i will also comply. i guess i will be setting up a [acronym:b687839e48="Fish only"]FO[/acronym:b687839e48] tank and spending some time in that forum.

09-13-2004, 05:17 PM	#3
HoopsGuru Aquarium Advice FINatic Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2003 Location: Central PA Posts: 966 Images: 1	According to the state's laws on corals, etc...rock collection is only illegal for commercial purposes. Also, the rock must not be broken off the reef, but rather can be collected as coral rubble. There is a limited amount that can be taken per person, per day. http://www.hawaii.gov/dlnr/dar/libra...l_liverock.htm __________________ http://www.reefnut.com/Images/Membershiplogotiny.jpg

09-13-2004, 05:18 PM	#4
reefrunner69 Aquarium Advice Freak Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2002 Location: Cedar Key, FL Posts: 311 Images: 108	I agree, if you can get some quarried terrestrial rock, it should be OK, if not, you can make your own base rock (instrctions on GARF.org) and it can become live in your tank __________________ Kevin Visit Nature Coast Photography Join the Central Florida Aquarists Regional forum or the Southeastern States Aquarists Regional Forum or the N. FL (North Florida Hobbyists) Regional Forum!

09-13-2004, 07:14 PM	#5
guitarded Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 204	hoops guru, thanks for the link. i will share that with the [acronym:baace227ad="Saltwater"]SW[/acronym:baace227ad] club! i guess it will be legal for me to havest one [acronym:baace227ad="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:baace227ad] of live rock per day (yes, that read [acronym:baace227ad="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:baace227ad], not pounds - as per the following quote from the state website... "The taking of sand, coral rubble or other marine deposits is permitted in certain circumstances. The material may not exceed one gallon per person per day, and may be taken only for personal, noncommercial purposes. HRS §171-58.5, §205A-44" __________________ [acronym:8ab53f2802="Saltwater"]SW[/acronym:8ab53f2802] - 75 [acronym:8ab53f2802="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:8ab53f2802] Amiracle SL-350 Wet/Dry (no bio-balls) AquaC EV-180 Skimmer w/Mag 7 2ea Maxi-Jet 1200 & 2ea Maxi-Jet 900 [acronym:8ab53f2802="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:8ab53f2802] Captive Purity Refractometer w/Calibrator LCD Digital 250 W Titanium Heater 48in Coralife 4x65 watt [acronym:8ab53f2802="Power compact fluorescent"]PC[/acronym:8ab53f2802] Won Pro Heat II Tunz level alarm Approx. 200lbs Sand (3-4" [acronym:8ab53f2802="Deep Sand Bed"]DSB[/acronym:8ab53f2802]) [acronym:8ab53f2802="Reverse osmosis"]RO[/acronym:8ab53f2802]/[acronym:8ab53f2802="Deionization"]DI[/acronym:8ab53f2802] unit - 110 GPD Please feel free to advise me!

09-13-2004, 08:46 PM	#6
guitarded Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hawaii Posts: 204	i did some further research and the above says i can take a galloon of sand, coral rubble or other marine deposits. it doesn't say anything about live rock. i further found the regulation about live rock as follows... Live rocks Unlawful to take, break or damage, with any implement, any rock or coral to which marine life is visibly attached or affixed. HAR 13-95. so i guess as i originally posted... no live rock. also, after talking again with the [acronym:874743c5d4="Saltwater"]SW[/acronym:874743c5d4] club, they say that if you are found with live rock, regardless of actually origin, then you can be prosecuted. __________________ [acronym:8ab53f2802="Saltwater"]SW[/acronym:8ab53f2802] - 75 [acronym:8ab53f2802="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:8ab53f2802] Amiracle SL-350 Wet/Dry (no bio-balls) AquaC EV-180 Skimmer w/Mag 7 2ea Maxi-Jet 1200 & 2ea Maxi-Jet 900 [acronym:8ab53f2802="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:8ab53f2802] Captive Purity Refractometer w/Calibrator LCD Digital 250 W Titanium Heater 48in Coralife 4x65 watt [acronym:8ab53f2802="Power compact fluorescent"]PC[/acronym:8ab53f2802] Won Pro Heat II Tunz level alarm Approx. 200lbs Sand (3-4" [acronym:8ab53f2802="Deep Sand Bed"]DSB[/acronym:8ab53f2802]) [acronym:8ab53f2802="Reverse osmosis"]RO[/acronym:8ab53f2802]/[acronym:8ab53f2802="Deionization"]DI[/acronym:8ab53f2802] unit - 110 GPD Please feel free to advise me!

09-13-2004, 09:30 PM	#8
CBRGuy Aquarium Advice Freak Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Media, PA Posts: 320 Images: 9	I agree with Atari. Also there are companies that Aquaculture [acronym:6921f5f2cc="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:6921f5f2cc], which would not be taken from a reef. __________________ Philly area reefers: www.sv-sea.org

09-13-2004, 09:57 PM	#9
ReefRaff Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Cleveland, Oh. USA Posts: 1,618 Images: 26	ya if you make it according to Garf, then it's not live rock, it's cement. __________________ Tim S Wagner Join Saltwater_Fish_Reef_Aquariums Vote here for Aquarium Advice!!!

09-13-2004, 10:42 PM	#10
4enzix Aquarium Advice Regular Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 81 Images: 6	u could just make your own and take pics of the process... they cant really dispute that __________________ 200 [acronym:85e53f0d80="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:85e53f0d80] reef with mainly euphyllia corals and peaceful fish w/ 70 [acronym:85e53f0d80="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:85e53f0d80] seahorse fuge.

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