Not understanding cycle process

[clr_newbie]

Week 1
Set up tank on day 1 with live sand and saltwater purchased from [acronym:86406fe9f3="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:86406fe9f3]. Tested water daily and noted ammonia, nitrite, and nitrate at 0. Ph was around 8.2

Week 2
Added 10lbs cured live rock and 2 damsels(I read about cycling without live fish after I had done this so please don't chastise me). Tested water daily and noted ammonia at 0, nitrate at 0, nitrate went from 0 to 5 at the end of the week, and [acronym:86406fe9f3="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:86406fe9f3] dropped to 8.0.

Week 3
Added 10lbs cured live rock. Tested water daily and noted no trace of ammonia, nitrite still at 0, nitrate still at 5, [acronym:86406fe9f3="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:86406fe9f3] dropped to 7.8

Week 4
Tested water daily and noted ammonia at 0, nitrite at 0, nitrate rose from 5 to 10 at the end of the week, and [acronym:86406fe9f3="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:86406fe9f3] at 7.8. I lost both damsels at the end of this week. They looked as though they were breathing very hard for 1 1/2 day before they died.

This Week
Did a 40 percent water change on Monday. Tested water daily and noted ammonia at 0, nitrite at 0, nitrate dropped to 5 with water change but has crept back up to 10, and [acronym:86406fe9f3="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:86406fe9f3] at 8.2

I have never seen the ammonia or nitrite go above 0 in my tank but the nitrate climbed to 10. Why is the nitrate at 10 but I have never seen any presence of nitrite. When will my tank cycle?

[got bait?]

What test kit are you using? Try taking a water sample to [acronym:5ea1318744="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:5ea1318744] and see what they get for readings. Damsels are very hardy fish, that's why they are used in cycling. Still weird you had no Amonia spike. Now that the fish are gone, just throw in a raw
shrimp and let it go. Unfortunately the 40% water change will add some more time to cycle. Just top off to keep water levels the same and be patient.

[Shultz]

See this article on this site:

http://www.aquariumadvice.com/showqu...q=2&fldAuto=15

Cheers Shelton.

[canadian_eh]

I'm pretty new at this too but I think what happened was since you used cured live rock you had enough of the nitrifying bacteria to handle the bio-load that you added. So basically any ammonia was converted immediately to nitrate. I think of cycling as the culturing of enough bacteria to handle current bio-load. If you already start with the bacteria then you are immediately "cycled". I think this is called cycling with [acronym:d5d1c0cc64="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:d5d1c0cc64].

I think one of your problems may have been not performing any water changes for the 4 weeks?...looks like that was effecting your [acronym:d5d1c0cc64="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:d5d1c0cc64].

That is of course assuming your test-kit is working correctly

Like I said I'm new too so take this for what its worth.

-Ron

[Shultz]

My tank cycled quickly (10days) but i did add 20kgs of cured [acronym:dd8dda2784="Live rock"]lr[/acronym:dd8dda2784] all in one go & a couple of fresh dead prawns, I still saw ammonia for 2 or 3 days, then nitrite & finally nitrate.....

I would follow the above "fishless" cycle & see what happens testing once a day from about day 2 or 3

Don't worry about the [acronym:dd8dda2784="power head or Measure of the concentration of hydrogen ions, depending on context"]PH[/acronym:dd8dda2784] whilst cycling as it will be all over the place.

[tmcpeek]

Do you not change water during a fishless cycle? Maybe that is why it took me so long to set up mine.

[Shultz]

Nope, you leave it alone whilst its on going as the good bacteria etc has to build up, just top up with fresh [acronym:fedebb50c7="Reverse osmosis"]RO[/acronym:fedebb50c7] for evap if you get it, you don't evenneed the lights on whilst cycling....

Cheers Shelton.

[got bait?]

So basically any ammonia was converted immediately to nitrate

Still should have seen nitrites though

you don't evenneed the lights on whilst cycling

Correct, this will help keep the brown algae down a bit.

I'm pretty new at this too but I think what happened was since you used cured live rock you had enough of the nitrifying bacteria to handle the bio-load that you added

As noted, where did you get your [acronym:defff34121="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:defff34121], most of the [acronym:defff34121="Live rock"]LR[/acronym:defff34121] from a [acronym:defff34121="Local Fish Store"]LFS[/acronym:defff34121] isn't totaly cured, so you would still have a bit of die off.

you leave it alone whilst its on going as the good bacteria etc has to build up, just top up with fresh [acronym:defff34121="Reverse osmosis"]RO[/acronym:defff34121] for evap if you get it

exactly what I had said earlier, just let it go and things should be fine. Good Luck

[SaltySteve]

I would say test kit was crap!
Has to be a reason why the fish died and it would not be because of 10 15 [acronym:3b9239e1a2="Parts per million"]PPM[/acronym:3b9239e1a2] Nitrate. Although, I do agree with above, you need to be confident with your test kit to make sure you can deal with a spike in Ammonia or Nitrite etc!
Just my 2 cents
<ost test kits that I have encountered have expiry dates