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Old 04-14-2005, 10:40 AM   #1
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Sick Open Brain

I have a small (1"-1.5" diameter) open brain that was doing great. Early this week, one side of its lobe began to shrivel and now I think he's dead.

Any suggestions as to what may have happened? Thanks.
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Old 04-14-2005, 07:39 PM   #2
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More detail about the tank, chemistry and the brain corals "neighbours" if any... Fish other than the chromis?

If you have a pic you can post close up and of the general placement area, that will help.

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Old 04-14-2005, 11:49 PM   #3
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I have a new brain, too (HA HA), and it has not fully opened. Maybe I don't understand brains (I'm in the midst of the Borneman book right now), but I can see too many of the ridges of the coral skeleton for my tastes. Shouldn't it be "plump" when it's fully open? Are the ridges that radiate out from the center normally visible, or covered in flesh?

I notice that, at night, a ring aroung the center seems to curl up , exposing more fleahy material underneath- feeder tentacles?
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[acronym:f1cc29f5b7="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:f1cc29f5b7] 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:19 AM   #4
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I have a 55 [acronym:b9e18fa298="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:b9e18fa298] with mushrooms, some gold polyps of some kind (forgot), orange sponge, 6-line wrasse, LT-plate coral, 3 chromis, o-clown, blenny, cleaning crew.

Chemistry is about 20 [acronym:b9e18fa298="Parts per Million"]ppm[/acronym:b9e18fa298] nitrates, 450/460 [acronym:b9e18fa298="Calcium"]Ca[/acronym:b9e18fa298], 14 kH, 8.3/8.4 pH, [acronym:b9e18fa298="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:b9e18fa298] was a bit high at 1.029. Lowered now to 1.026

I did notice that my 6-line pecked at it a bit but I though that was after it died. Dunno. Nitrates were at 15 and have floated up to 20+. Not sure why
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:21 PM   #5
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How long have you had it, what kind of lights do you have and what do you feed it?

I've had mine under [acronym:09a17dfeaf="Power compact fluorescent"]PC[/acronym:09a17dfeaf] since mid-February. It seemed to be doing ok and then just started opening less and less. At feeding time my tang and clown are voracious and no matter how much food is in the water column they've always stolen whatever I put on the brain. I knew it wasn't doing so well so I took a small plastic container put some flow holes in it and a feeder hole in the top. I put that over the brain and anchor it with a rock and then used a turkey baster to blow the food onto the brain. The day after feeding the brain usually swells up bigger than the day before. It seems to be helping to feed it.

I also finally got my [acronym:09a17dfeaf="Metal halide light"]MH[/acronym:09a17dfeaf] bulbs back from coralvu and have been running my [acronym:09a17dfeaf="Metal halide light"]MH[/acronym:09a17dfeaf] for an hour or so a day. I haven't seen anything that I could directly relate to the [acronym:09a17dfeaf="Metal halide light"]MH[/acronym:09a17dfeaf] but I figure it has to help!

Maybe yours is hungry too? Good luck.
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Old 04-15-2005, 08:22 PM   #6
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Maybe it wasn't eating enough, hummm. I have dual 175 [acronym:9434095d2b="Metal halide light"]MH[/acronym:9434095d2b] on my 55 [acronym:9434095d2b="Gallon"]gal[/acronym:9434095d2b] for about 7 hours. For 6 hours prior and 2 hours after, I run two 40 watt [acronym:9434095d2b="Normal Output Fluorescents"]NO[/acronym:9434095d2b]'s.
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Old 04-15-2005, 08:33 PM   #7
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How often were you feeding it?
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Old 04-15-2005, 10:49 PM   #8
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Just fed my brain. I turned off the flow and dropped mysis shrimp and some mixed flakes, etc, soaked in water to soften them up. HArd to tell if it ate anyting under the moonlights.

No such problem with my bubble, though. Bubble corals are SCARY at night !!!!
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[acronym:f1cc29f5b7="Specific gravity"]SG[/acronym:f1cc29f5b7] 1.024, temp 79.5, pH 8.4

Livestock I added:

1 skunk cleaner. 12 hermits: red, scarlet, blue. 15 or so assorted snails. Discosomas, Ricordia, Rhodactis mushroom corals, chaetomorpha (sump), 1 feather duster, Montipora digitata, Montipora capricornis, Montipora hispids. assorted zoos, Xenia, Kenya tree coral, green Sinularia, green star polyps, branching hammer coral, bubble coral, Devil's hand leather. Yellow chromis, purple firefish.

Hitchhikers: the usual suspects :crabs, bristles, urchin, mantis shrimp (now in exile in mantis tank)

List of possible/likely newcomers:

Feather duster. PJ cardinal, Bangghai cardinal, Firefish goby, Clownfish, Neon goby, Yellow watchman goby, Orchid dottyback. Various corals.
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Old 04-15-2005, 11:15 PM   #9
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I feed once daily. Mysis or brine. But considering his small size (about 1.5" diameter) and the water flow (I don't turn it off) I guess he may have missed most all of it. I have a clown, blenny and 3 chromis that can scoop it up pretty quick.

Although, I add DT plankton as well. Shouldn't that help with his feeding?
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Old 04-16-2005, 09:10 AM   #10
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If you're just feeding your tank and not target feeding the brain he's probably not getting much, if anything. While they may be able to eat the DTs I've read that they like meaty foods. I feed mine chopped krill though I've heard people say that they feed them silversides.

Brine is junk food for fish. You should try to phase that out in favor of some formula 1 or prime reef.

You could always try target feeding and see how he responds. How's he looking these days?
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