Weird overflow problem - Aquarium Advice

**ellisz** · 10-14-2005, 08:56 PM

Hi all,

I was removing some algea growth from my overflow tonight and then the water level in the overflow began to rise. It crested right above the elbow on the durso(megaflow kit) standpipe. Now I cant get it to handle the pump flow. I removed the standpipe and it is clear.

Not sure what happened. It seems to have a strong siphon. When I turn the pump off it does some major sucking noises when it reaches the siphon break and the return nozzle.

The overflow has always been a bit noisy and it went completely silent before the water started rising.

Anyone have any ideas on what happened?

greenmaji · 10-14-2005, 09:41 PM

Sounds like you might have a little blockage in the air inlet on the top of your standpipe.. like a litte algae or saltcreep..

**ellisz** · 10-14-2005, 09:43 PM

I removed the whole standpipe and all appears to be clear. Even if I crank the pump way back it keeps rising to the top of the standpipe.

I almost wonder if I have a blockage in the drain line but I know water is draining in the sump.

greenmaji · 10-14-2005, 09:46 PM

Is the pipe taking in air like its suppose to?

Brenden · 10-14-2005, 09:47 PM

I agree with greenmaji. The strong siphon and sucking noises you described sound like your air inlet is restricted.

**ellisz** · 10-14-2005, 10:01 PM

I agree with that as well but the standpipe is clear. I dismantled it and there is nothing inside.

When the tank is filling it definately does not sound like it is breathing.

Weird ...

greenmaji · 10-14-2005, 10:04 PM

Can you run something through the drainpipe to try to see if it got any blockage?

Brenden · 10-14-2005, 10:16 PM

Is it possible there is some algae floating on top of the water inside your overflow pipe (not durso)? When the water level starts to rise slowly when pumps are first turned on it would float to the top and clog the air hole. When the pumps are turned off it would go back down to the sump making you think all is clear. just a thought.

**ellisz** · 10-14-2005, 10:37 PM

I can see the airhole at all times. I even tried blowing air in to the pipe via some tubing and once I stop, it pushes the air right back out. The standpipe itself is clear.

I took apart some of my drain line and it appears to be ok. The smallest point is where I convert the vinyl tubing to [acronym:6b73ef7f2e="Plastic pipe"]PVC[/acronym:6b73ef7f2e]. I use 1.5" [acronym:6b73ef7f2e="Plastic pipe"]PVC[/acronym:6b73ef7f2e] on down once I pass through the floor. Most of the drain is glued but with 1.5" [acronym:6b73ef7f2e="Plastic pipe"]PVC[/acronym:6b73ef7f2e] I would not expect a clog in that.

This is not a good Friday night

**ellisz** · 10-14-2005, 11:01 PM

Well, mystery solved so to speak. I have no clue how they got in there but somehow 3 snails/hermits got into the durso pipe! I pulled 3 shells from the bulkhead. Man that was weird.

I have a strainer on the durso but there are holes drilled into the side of what would be the T fitting. The design I have is from the AGA kit so it is a little different than the Durso. They must have got into one of the little holes. 3 cerith snail shells. Who would have thunk it ...

Thanks for the help guys

10-14-2005, 09:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
ellisz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Indiana USA Posts: 2,669 Images: 9	I removed the whole standpipe and all appears to be clear. Even if I crank the pump way back it keeps rising to the top of the standpipe. I almost wonder if I have a blockage in the drain line but I know water is draining in the sump. __________________ 180 gal Display, 100 gal basement sump, 33 gal refugium, 3x250 MH, 2x160 VHO actinics, zoos, some softies, LPS & lots of acros and other SPS. 100 gal prop tank plumbed into main system w/ 2x96 PC lights and 1x150 MH,

10-14-2005, 09:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Brenden Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Piedmont, NC Posts: 3,878 Images: 32	I agree with greenmaji. The strong siphon and sucking noises you described sound like your air inlet is restricted. __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't make you an artist. If guns kill people...Spoons make Michael Moore fat.

10-14-2005, 10:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
ellisz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Indiana USA Posts: 2,669 Images: 9	I agree with that as well but the standpipe is clear. I dismantled it and there is nothing inside. When the tank is filling it definately does not sound like it is breathing. Weird ... __________________ 180 gal Display, 100 gal basement sump, 33 gal refugium, 3x250 MH, 2x160 VHO actinics, zoos, some softies, LPS & lots of acros and other SPS. 100 gal prop tank plumbed into main system w/ 2x96 PC lights and 1x150 MH,

10-14-2005, 10:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Brenden Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Piedmont, NC Posts: 3,878 Images: 32	Is it possible there is some algae floating on top of the water inside your overflow pipe (not durso)? When the water level starts to rise slowly when pumps are first turned on it would float to the top and clog the air hole. When the pumps are turned off it would go back down to the sump making you think all is clear. just a thought. __________________ The fact that no one understands you doesn't make you an artist. If guns kill people...Spoons make Michael Moore fat.

10-14-2005, 10:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
ellisz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Indiana USA Posts: 2,669 Images: 9	I can see the airhole at all times. I even tried blowing air in to the pipe via some tubing and once I stop, it pushes the air right back out. The standpipe itself is clear. I took apart some of my drain line and it appears to be ok. The smallest point is where I convert the vinyl tubing to [acronym:6b73ef7f2e="Plastic pipe"]PVC[/acronym:6b73ef7f2e]. I use 1.5" [acronym:6b73ef7f2e="Plastic pipe"]PVC[/acronym:6b73ef7f2e] on down once I pass through the floor. Most of the drain is glued but with 1.5" [acronym:6b73ef7f2e="Plastic pipe"]PVC[/acronym:6b73ef7f2e] I would not expect a clog in that. This is not a good Friday night __________________ 180 gal Display, 100 gal basement sump, 33 gal refugium, 3x250 MH, 2x160 VHO actinics, zoos, some softies, LPS & lots of acros and other SPS. 100 gal prop tank plumbed into main system w/ 2x96 PC lights and 1x150 MH,

10-14-2005, 09:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
greenmaji Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 5,937	Sounds like you might have a little blockage in the air inlet on the top of your standpipe.. like a litte algae or saltcreep..

10-14-2005, 09:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
greenmaji Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 5,937	Is the pipe taking in air like its suppose to?

10-14-2005, 10:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
greenmaji Aquarium Advice Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 5,937	Can you run something through the drainpipe to try to see if it got any blockage?

10-14-2005, 11:01 PM	#10 (permalink)
ellisz Aquarium Advice Addict Community Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Indiana USA Posts: 2,669 Images: 9	Well, mystery solved so to speak. I have no clue how they got in there but somehow 3 snails/hermits got into the durso pipe! I pulled 3 shells from the bulkhead. Man that was weird. I have a strainer on the durso but there are holes drilled into the side of what would be the T fitting. The design I have is from the AGA kit so it is a little different than the Durso. They must have got into one of the little holes. 3 cerith snail shells. Who would have thunk it ... Thanks for the help guys __________________ 180 gal Display, 100 gal basement sump, 33 gal refugium, 3x250 MH, 2x160 VHO actinics, zoos, some softies, LPS & lots of acros and other SPS. 100 gal prop tank plumbed into main system w/ 2x96 PC lights and 1x150 MH,

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